THISROLL
293 posts
Dec 25, 2008
6:58 AM
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I know that there are many different colors to the birmingham rollers..i was think about a idea...you guys post your rollers here and the colorof the roller and ill try to make a color chart of rollers..i know there are lots of colors..
like this if you guys want to try..
RECESSIVE RED HEN
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cv rollers
200 posts
Dec 25, 2008
9:19 AM
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i think u have a good idea but i have notice everybody has a different name for the same color,some call a splash,a grizzle and so on.guys that have different breeds have a better idea of the correct color because they have a standard of color for that breed and a roller its not about color its about the roll!!! that is why there is so much names for the same color,it really doesn't matter,there is no color standard for rollers.i think JMO
Last Edited by on Dec 25, 2008 9:21 AM
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Sunflower
44 posts
Dec 25, 2008
10:40 AM
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THISROLL, I think the bird you posted looks more like a nice example of an Ash Red Check self which a dominant color rather than a Recessive Red. Joe Beach
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gotspin7
2122 posts
Dec 26, 2008
5:55 AM
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Thisroll, I will play. Here is my list like it or not...LOL
R-red
Black
black grizzle
black & white spangle
Red mottle
lavender
red check odd wing
blue bar
dunn.. AKA ash red chek
red checker
bronze
d-chek
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Sal Ortiz
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THISROLL
295 posts
Dec 26, 2008
6:45 AM
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Thanks SAL!!..ILL TRY TO DO IT AND THEY ARE IN MY PHOTBUCKET..JUST SO YOU KNOW..
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PR_rollers
GOLD MEMBER
2200 posts
Dec 26, 2008
7:10 AM
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Sal I fell in love with everyone of them and hungry too if cut their heads off they look like apples perfect apple to me.. good luck ....so to me they were all red mmmm.
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Ralph
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2008 3:16 PM
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sundance
978 posts
Dec 26, 2008
8:21 AM
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Good job Sal. I`m mostly in agreement with your colors too. Good looking birds. The Lavender is obviously a cock bird. Anybody want to guess the restz?
hen R. red
cock Black
cock Bl. grizzle
cock bl spangle
hen Red mottle
cock Lavender
hen r. chk odd wing
hen blue bar ( is that a black bar?)
hen ash red check
cock red check
cock (black bronze wing?)bronze
cock D check ( black check?)
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Butch @
Sundance Roller Lofts
Last Edited by on Dec 26, 2008 8:23 AM
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ezeedad
897 posts
Dec 26, 2008
12:35 PM
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Really nice bird show Sal... Those birds have the qualities I like to see in a rollerman's loft...
Gomez
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Sunflower
46 posts
Dec 26, 2008
2:13 PM
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Sal, That's a group of real beauties. Great looking birds!! Joe
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Scott
1366 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:22 AM
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Sal, it is nice to see what appear to be first class Birmingham Rollers (if they have the motor),the real deal is getting pretty rare here on this site.
Scott
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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spinningdemon
132 posts
Dec 28, 2008
9:23 AM
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Thank you for sharing all of the awesome photos!
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David Curneal
Performance breeds since 1973
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Sunflower
49 posts
Dec 28, 2008
10:45 AM
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Hey Scott, why don't you post some pictures of your birds so the rest of us can see what the "real deal" looks like. Joe
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Electric-man
2214 posts
Dec 28, 2008
11:20 AM
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Nice looking birds Sal! Are you planning on breeding the crest back into them?
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Val
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2008 11:25 AM
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Scott
1367 posts
Dec 28, 2008
12:55 PM
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No need Joe, look above, check out the type,feather,station, head, and most importanlty the mental strength to handle the roll, that is what first class stock looks like and what mutts and over cooked birds lack.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Sunflower
50 posts
Dec 28, 2008
2:35 PM
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You can tell all that from a picture? WOW!! You are either a world class Bullsh%&t artist or the greatest roller expert in the world!! Joe
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pat66
253 posts
Dec 28, 2008
3:18 PM
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To many PROCLAIMED EXPERTS ON ROLLERS for me, by the way Sal very nice looking birds,really like that red check odd wing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I would like to see the REAL DEAL also!
Now back to the original thread on the colors,this started out very informative!
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Pat
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2008 3:20 PM
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Ty Coleman
494 posts
Dec 28, 2008
3:26 PM
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lol, buckle up boy's.
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Ty
Vapor Trail Lofts
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gotspin7
2134 posts
Dec 28, 2008
6:24 PM
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Scott, these are the real deal bro...lol..I know of all except the black grizzle (they have all been flowned out and showed the goods) The black grizzle is from a good friend Sam Gutierrez, I took a couple pictures of some of his birds that I admired while visting. He has some fine pigeons....lol.. I will gladly fly them for anybody that wants to see them go!..lol..
Val, I will get you later...LOL..You and your muffed rollers...lol
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Sal Ortiz
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gotspin7
2135 posts
Dec 28, 2008
6:25 PM
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Pat, no expert here brother, still learning....lol
Joe, I was just trying to help the newbie out with the colors...lol.. Hey if you want to see some spin I will happily fly some for you...lol
Ty, no need for seat belts...lol
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Sal Ortiz
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Scott
1368 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:35 PM
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Actually Joe I'm not that hot on the first three,could be the pics though.
But yea it is obvious that these birds have the potential where most others posted on this site don't.
If you can't reconize it,well keep doing what ever it is you are doing,there is nothing else to say.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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gotspin7
2143 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:38 PM
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Scott, the first one I will bouch for...lol.. He has made me some dandy's. The second and third are not mine so I can't speak for them, good eye do. Hey Joe I think he has what I like to call experience...lol
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Sal Ortiz
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Scott
1369 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:40 PM
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(Now back to the original thread on the colors,this started out very informative!)
Pat, no there is much more important imforation to be got here than what you wrote above, there is much to be learned for new flyers from the birds above, and color has nothing to do with it.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2008 8:52 PM
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Scott
1370 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:44 PM
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Sal, I like the first one better than the next two, the only reason that I bunched it in is because it showing slightly the look of a weak back, but could also be the pic and the way it is standing.
The expression on that bird isn't real strong either,at least from the pic. but not problem wise weak either,the others have a strong expression that should have them handling "hard" roll well as long as the motor is there.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2008 8:54 PM
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cr250
171 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:44 PM
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I will do an easy one.
Red Bar
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cr250
172 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:44 PM
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Norm_Knox
246 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:47 PM
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Good eye Scott ... Couldnt agree more with you on these birds, they sure look like they mean bussiness. JMO
Norm
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N/A Loft
Last Edited by on Dec 28, 2008 8:47 PM
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THISROLL
322 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:59 PM
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thanks cr250 Brian,..
i need more like balds/blue grizzle etc if you guys have any..
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THISROLL
323 posts
Dec 28, 2008
8:59 PM
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thanks cr250 Brian,..
i need more like balds/blue grizzle etc if you guys have any..
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TheGame
359 posts
Dec 28, 2008
9:42 PM
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kopetsa
2617 posts
Dec 28, 2008
9:43 PM
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These are through flickr.com if you find some of these useful you need to save them to your photobucket and then go nuts!
Blue Check Self
Red check self
Red mottle
Solid Recessive Red
Solid Yellow
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Andrew Carmichael
AB Canada
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RodSD
132 posts
Dec 28, 2008
10:47 PM
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I think Scott has the "eye" of looking at birds. Some people has the ability to see good birds where we have no clue of what they are talking about. I don't know whether it come from experience or just a "gift."
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THISROLL
326 posts
Dec 29, 2008
9:14 AM
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shiv!! what color is that?? help lol
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Sunflower
53 posts
Dec 29, 2008
9:17 AM
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Scott, Just pulling your leg a little because I know that color is not your thing. I agree with you that performance in the air is the only true test, if they don't have it there, then make em 2 inches shorter. Not sure how you can tell much from a picture tho. Give me a call some time 913-727-2418, I've got a couple of questions for you.
Highest regards,
Joe Beach
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c robbo
360 posts
Dec 29, 2008
9:38 AM
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the fist pigeon is a yellow high fligher/tippler cross.not a true birmingham roller.to big the are like chikens in my eyes. NO GOOD FOR QUALITY
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THISROLL
327 posts
Dec 29, 2008
10:16 AM
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C ROBBO, thanks for your concern but it is a BR,im not going to make you beleive it..whatever makes you happy...something must be wrong with your vision because that bird looks nothing like a chickeN LMAO!
C robbo im curious i want to see some of your BR
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
98 posts
Dec 29, 2008
10:35 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Andulusion Wht/Flt Plona
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2008 10:35 AM
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
99 posts
Dec 29, 2008
10:39 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
yellow wht/flt hen Hardesty
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THISROLL
328 posts
Dec 29, 2008
10:42 AM
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THANKS MIKE!!
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
100 posts
Dec 29, 2008
10:44 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Indigo wht/flt Hardesty cock 92 bird
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pat66
254 posts
Dec 29, 2008
10:57 AM
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SCOTT,
I am sure you are a credit to the sport,seriously,your post made me feel like some of us post junk,sorry if I came off to strong but I feel color such as hard and soft do play a rule in performance in certain lines,also for the newbie, a description of the color of the bird is a contributing factor! keep our chins up, I would like to see a couple of your birds though!!
YOURS IN THE SPORT-----------PAT
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Pat
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pat66
255 posts
Dec 29, 2008
10:59 AM
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GOTSPIN,
MY post was a reply to what was said by someone else,I enjoy your posts and PICS!!!!!!!
P.S. I for one am still learning the different colors of pure performance rollers,we need to know so as to correctly describe our birds.
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Pat
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2008 11:02 AM
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
101 posts
Dec 29, 2008
11:01 AM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
Yeah Scott I would like to see your birds as well..How about it...You kind of jacked this thread, the least you could do is post some pics..
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pat66
256 posts
Dec 29, 2008
11:11 AM
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Pat
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Sunflower
54 posts
Dec 29, 2008
11:13 AM
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THISROLL, Here are some different colors for you.
Blue Grizzle
Blue Bar Bald
Black Beard
Black Badge
Andalusian Beard
Indigo Bar Self
Silver Bar(dilute of Blue Bar)
Cream Bar (dilute of Ash Red Bar)
Sal, As I said earlier I like the pics of your birds alot, My misguided comments were just an attempt to pull Scott's leg as I know how much he dislikes discussions of color. Joe Beach
Last Edited by on Dec 29, 2008 11:15 AM
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pat66
257 posts
Dec 29, 2008
11:14 AM
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NICE!!!
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Pat
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Scott
1374 posts
Dec 29, 2008
12:07 PM
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Joe, a picture is just that a picture,a quick snap shot,pictures can also be misleading but a good picture can tell the tale to a fair degee.
The only thing that you can tell from any bird is whether it has "potential" or not.
When I'm looking at a bird I am as much interested in the mental strength as I am in the physical traits of the bird.
Without mental strength these birds can't handle what we ask them to do,we must study every aspect of our birds,from the best to the culls.
Guys I am a mere flyer,nothing else other than performance charactoristics plays into my little pigeon world,and even at that I sctratch for truely good birds.
I can't even imagine handicapping myself by letting non performace setbacks play into my breeding practices,but that is just me,enjoy.
Scott
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Scott
1375 posts
Dec 29, 2008
12:12 PM
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Rod,just study every aspect of your birds,that means your culls as well as your best.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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Lipper
GOLD MEMBER
102 posts
Dec 29, 2008
12:23 PM
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Mike Trevis
The Bigger the Dream the Bigger the Leap
here is a plona dark blue grizzle white flight...if anyone has a better description please do.
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TheGame
361 posts
Dec 29, 2008
6:29 PM
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Im not too sure Vue LOL I was told it was some kind of Mottle...
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nicksiders
3198 posts
Dec 29, 2008
7:05 PM
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I think you can call a Master Flier an expert.
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Just My Take On Things
Nick Siders
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