Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
387 posts
Jul 27, 2005
3:12 PM
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JoeBob was asked some questions on another forum.Since these same questions run parallel with the same things talked about on this site I am rolling them over here. David
Kenny and list,
Hell Kenny, just remembering to feed em, can be a chore for us old farts. The bottom-line, all I do is mate as many different colors and factors in the birds together to ensure none look the same for identifying in the air, then the job is easy-just put the 20 best spinners together on comp day.
That's the attention getter my 9th grade English teacher always said to use.
Here's the answers to your questions:
1. Were you flying toy stencil, pencil, milky and many of the other crossed in factors for color? If so, would you list the factors you were flying in your kit.
Reduced/blue lace and black badges off indigo/andalusian parents but the ones in the kit were not carrying the color gene for indigo/andalusian. I flew 20 birds, 12 cocks and 8 hens. Of those, one hen was showing blue lace/reduced and 4 hens were off cocks carrying the gene but didn't get it. 8 of the cocks were the same way-off a cock carrying it but only can get one dose since the mom was not, and may be carrying it but wouldn't know until you bred it. 2 other hens and 3 cocks came from a one parent being indigo/andalusian mating. So basically, only one hen was actually showing a color that you don't see alot of in top teams.
2. Are your Turner birds from the colored crosses or prior to being crossed to other breeds.
The black badges and blue bars in the stud are from his Pensom/Lloyd Thompson birds. The indigo/andalusian birds go back to his Pensom/Thompson birds crossed on an indigo/andalusian from Bob Bettis that as I heard the story, was from a roller cross on another breed to get the color. When I got the indigo birds, they were 15/16ths to 31/32s of the Pensom/Thompson. I like the color but I didn't get em for that-they were in the air as fast and deep as any I'd seen in all my travels-US and England. James Turner's Pensom/Thompsons are an outstanding speed and style bird with depth. But the ones I got, threw really hot genes with 60% bumping/kitting problems/rolldown. So I crossed a Roger Baker Codk and Hen, Rick Mee cock , a Danny Horner hen and a Clay Hoyle Hen over the last 10 years. 1st generation I lost the Q I had and wanted and when I got em back to 15/16ths and higher, then I got the bird I wanted with better control. 8 cocks in the kit and one hen was either 1/4 or 1/2 Tom VandenBossche(Starley/Easley).
3. JoeBob, Do you mate birds for color, factors, and patterns? Would you cross one of your rollers on another breed to bring in a color, factor or pattern?
I do not mate my birds for color, factor or pattern-best to best or best that compliment each other in each's weaknesses. I would not cross one of my rollers to another breed to bring in a color or pattern. James Turner proved it can be done, but it is a long slow process that I am not into. I like color like most but have the birds for their airial ability not their color. The birds I selected from Roger Baker and Turner were the best I had seen and some of them had the color already in em.
4. Do you consider yourself a color breeder, a performance breeder or a little of both?
I am a performance breeder regardless of color, pretty ones or selfs don't matter-only the best get into the breeding pen from what they do in the air.
5. For the new guy just starting out, how do you suggest they start and what would be the surest way of getting to the top like yourself.
Do not start out with birds from the first guy you see has em. Travel and see as many kits as you can and decide what it is you want in your birds-speed, depth, workrate, pretty colors for the kids and grandchildren, high flyers, low flyers, or the complete pkg that you can compete with. You pay the feed bill so buy/acquire what turns your crank and will give you the pleasure to take care of em right. The surest way of getting to the top- Start with birds from the most consistent in the top ten of the WC for the last 10 years that you can get your hands on, learn how he trains/manages em and then improve on it by trying everything he hasn't-you have to be a top trainer who can "read" what the birds are telling you by their performance, and know what to do to correct/improve/maintain it. And lastly-you gotta be fortunate enough to have a strong bench for losses, good weather and the birds have to be at full potential or exceed it-like mine had the best fly of their life on workrate.
6. What do you want the sport to remember from your WC win?
When Don Simpson scored 560 in the Regional, I said no way can these guy's of mine score 561! After a few days of sulking and letting second place sink in my head, I said BS! We're gonna go for 561 and I trained their asses off-they scored 585. We flew an hour later than planned due to traffic getting back and it was 35 min to dark. I only got 4 birds back that night. The next morning I got 6 more. Flew 19 so damn, I am out 9 A teamers and only 3 weeks to go! Luckily, I had 24 B teamers, told Don Simpson to keep his team prepped and if I couldn't get 17 that I felt was World class, then I would give him the finals slot. Worked the piss out of em in groups of 3's to 5's to analyze the pluses and minuses of every swinging dick and bra wearing bird in the loft. Then Dewayne comes in with that 1030 pt score-again, I said shit-no way can these guys score a 1000. Then again, after sulking over this 1000 pt score, I said hell go for it, let these lil hummers just show me what they got or die trying-so trained and fed for workrate mainly and crossed my fingers that the Q and D would hold and be acceptable-it worked-they had the workrate day of their life-44 breaks, Q and D suffered from norm, but was acceptable and it all happened with 12 new birds added to only 8 of the original I used in the regionals-that is what I am proud of-my not throwing in the towel attitude in training and the birds stepping up to the plate for the challenge!
JoeBob
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