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Young birds flying above the kit...
Young birds flying above the kit...
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big al
61 posts
Jul 29, 2005
1:25 AM
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Hey guys,
I've been known to cull quick and hard.
(Sometimes too quick!) LOL!! I have a pet peeve against "out" birds. Fortunately I don't breed many but when I do they are culled. However I have had an occassional bird that stayed with the kit on the turns but flew and worked above them. Then a few weeks later join the team never to "out" again. I know sometimes it's due to young birds getting a little scared coming into the roll and a few other reasons. I usually don't give them that much of a chance. I'm sure I may have culled some good ones due to my impatience who knows? LOL!
I've heard that some people keep flying these type birds and they eventually come out of the habit and become great birds. What are your experiences?
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Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
388 posts
Jul 29, 2005
3:14 AM
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Big Al.I have found myself in the same situation.I just can,t stand a bird that won,t kit.I like my kits flying in an approx.15 to 20 foot circle.Untill this year I would cull any bird that wouldn,t kit tight.Not realizing that sometimes there was a reason for them doing this.
I was told the same thing that with some age a lot of these birds would come around.I backed way off in culling for this non kitting this year and it is true.90% of the birds I would have culled before are right in there and you would never know they had a problem before.Most I have found has to do with the coming into the roll and they just don,t know what to do yet.They realize that when in the kit this new thing is happening so they shy away from the kit untill they get a handle on it.There is still some I cull early that I can tell they just don,t want to get with the group.These I cull within the first month of flying.This kind I don,t care if they would make it or not.
What I have been tolerating this year is birds that start flipping or rolling and then like you said will either fly above,to the side or even some that take off for a stroll around the world.I have found that within a couple of weeks they will get back to kitting and go on to become good rollers.
I know I have culled some good rollers for this before as some has went to someone else to work with and they worked good at another location.David
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
97 posts
Jul 29, 2005
2:10 PM
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Al, I too chronically despise out birds with a passion, especially if they are old enough that it should not be taking place. In the young kits, I get a few in every kit that come and go from the kit when the roll is coming on. I have learned to just be patient with them and see what happens over the next several weeks. Being the control freak that I am, this was a challenging step for me to take, but it has been rewarding as I did discover that many of them are doing what they feel is necessary to resist the roll impulse. It is my opinion that the ones that fly above the kit, maybe coming and going from it, are actually the really smart ones. They realize that flying with the kit stimulates their roll impulse, so they do what they can to try and avoid it. But to me, if they are flying above the kit or coming and going from it, they are still consciously aware that they should be kitting.
Now those birds that simply dissappear every day or go off and fly the entire time in la-la land, those I have noticed seldom if ever correct themselves as they mature. Their non-kitting seems to be a mental instability problem. I don't hang on to those very long largely because very few of them ever worked out in the long run. I believe the key to whether or not they will become a full time kit bird is in the paying attention to what they are doing when they are out of the kit. The ones that seems to fix themselves always appear to be looking at or tracking the kit.
Ultimately each out bird has it's own problem and it takes time to figure out just what they might be thinking. Being as they are young birds, it's real easy for me to give them some slack. But if it is something I see repeated every day with no improvement over a period of time, its time to reconsider their value in taking up a perch in the kit box. I keep a hold over cull kit for the predator times and often use this kit as a place to toss the ones that have some kind of issue they are taking their time working through. Eventually some of them end up working out fine, others become predator food.
Brian.
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nicksiders
174 posts
Jul 29, 2005
8:51 PM
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The one positive thing you got going is they are flying ABOVE the kit. I have always got the ones who fly above the kit to eventually come down to the kit. The ones I have trouble with is the ones who fly well below the kit. They seem to be less likely to escape the cull.....they just don't get it while the higher flyers do.
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