big al
63 posts
Aug 01, 2005
7:42 PM
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Hey guys,
Here's an interesting topic!
I have my own views on this but I was curious to hear yours...
What combinations have you found create the greatest depth in youngsters,
deep hen to deep cock?
deep hen to moderate cock?
deep cock to moderate hen etc...
Lets call deep 40' - 60' feet
Lets call moderate 10' - 15'
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Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Alohazona
35 posts
Aug 02, 2005
12:39 AM
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Aloha Al,my deepest birds,20 to 80 ft are from a short spinning small hen and a cock that spins for 2 to 3 seconds and loses no alititude,he produces better than himself,the Hens roll short and DEEP,all the cocks have heavy muffs like West of Englands and roll DEEP and ballbearing smooth'they are from Tom Hatchers top pair #266 x LOW FREEZE.ALOHA,Todd
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
399 posts
Aug 02, 2005
2:11 AM
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Big Al.This is my opinion.LOL.
Cocks will control your depth.If you want deeper rollers use a deep rolling cock.I have found that my deeper birds are most always hens.It is hard for me to find a deep rolling cock.David
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
400 posts
Aug 02, 2005
2:23 AM
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Todd. You said;
cock that spins for 2 to 3 seconds and loses no alititude
Funny you would say this at this time.LOL.
The past few days I have seen one of my young rollers doing this.Not 2 or 3 seconds but a good 1 second.At first I thought it was my eyes playing tricks on me.I have since seen it do it quite often and with all the talk on the other site about judging I was wondering how a bird like this could be judged?
This bird is fast in the spin and may drop a foot or 2.It has caught my attention enough for me to tend to watch it more than the deeper ones.
Will it quit doing this as it gets older? David
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Alohazona
37 posts
Aug 02, 2005
9:28 AM
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David,this cock always rolls the same,probably a split between 2and3 seconds a very unique,hard roll and moves forward in the roll,like a loose wheel escaping from a car,again very little if any altitude.Everyone who has seen this bird roll,talks of this bird evertime they return to my loft.BTW,this is the bird I check first every time I enter my loft,he's my favorite.ALOHA,Todd
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Alan Bliven
216 posts
Aug 02, 2005
9:19 PM
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I have one that flies upwards when he knows he's going to spin and spins very fast. He looses very little altitude.
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Alan
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big al
66 posts
Aug 02, 2005
10:51 PM
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Hi Bluesman how are you?
Regarding depth, here's what I've found.
I don't think there is a rule of thumb across the board for what I asked
It all seems to depend on the family and genetic stregnth.
For instance I have a breeder cock with decent body type that when mated never throws his body type but does pass on his rolling style. He's been with 3 hens with excellent body type and that's the type the offspring show.-
I've also on another occassion used a very deep and typey hen on 3 different cocks with moderate depth and got very deep offspring .
With my current family of birds the hens carry the speed and depth and it shows in the offspring. The cocks carry the style of roll and it shows although I do have some deep cocks breeding as well. However for the most part my breeding hens carry the heat and body type and the cocks the style of roll I like.
I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is the same thing I say in a lot of posts, everything depends on the family and how well you know them. If certain genetics are very strong in a particular bird, those traits will be passed along in all subsequent matings involving that bird regardless of sex. Some deep birds no matter who you breed them to will always throw deep babies if that particular genetic trait is unusually strong in that family. I think it works the same with kitting, stregnth in character, feathering, high or low flying ect...
Hope this makes sense!
See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
Last Edited by big al on Aug 02, 2005 10:52 PM
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
401 posts
Aug 03, 2005
2:29 AM
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Big Al. I am doing fine.Really enjoying life.LOL
Very good post and several things for me to ponder over.
When its all said and done what we talk about for the most part is what we see in our own family of rollers.Thats why its so nice to hear everyones views on things.Opens up a lot of knowledge that we may never come in contact with otherwise. David
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