siddiqir
25 posts
Aug 18, 2005
11:51 AM
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When you cull a roller in following conditions. How long you wait/give time to bird to straighten up
1) Roll with breaks(do not do straight roll)
2) Do not roll at all
3) Roll sloppy
4) Roll short (less then 10 feet)
Thanks in advance. -Rauf
Last Edited by siddiqir on Aug 18, 2005 12:04 PM
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J_Star
32 posts
Aug 18, 2005
11:57 AM
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How old the bird we are takling about here?
Jay
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siddiqir
27 posts
Aug 18, 2005
12:04 PM
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They are six months old. The reason I asked becuase I have birds which are in one of the above situation. My plan is to keep them for an year. They may straighten up and perform better...the negative side of this is I need to take chance and keep on feeding them for another 6 months and they may never get better.
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J_Star
35 posts
Aug 18, 2005
1:29 PM
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Rauf,
If you have the space then keep him until the next breeding season start. if he does not strighten up by then and if your friend the hawk don't get him, then cull him.
Jay
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Velo99
69 posts
Aug 18, 2005
4:18 PM
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Hey Rauf,
Keep em `til next spring. I don`t remove any birds I am not sure of for a year. After that it is lights out!
yits
v99
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motherlodelofts
241 posts
Aug 18, 2005
5:01 PM
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Rauf at that age they are still babies, none get culled here at that age unless they are obviuos problem birds such as rolldowns ect.
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Aug 18, 2005 7:15 PM
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big al
90 posts
Aug 18, 2005
9:32 PM
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Hi Rauf,
When reading your question I found that there are a lot of considerations. The first thing that comes to mind is the particular family and what they've done in the past.
Regarding roll... The family I'm working with now has most birds coming in to a nice spin at 6 months. I do have a pair who's offspring will come in around 10 to 12 months. I hate that! However I allowed it with this pair because of the quality, velocity and depth of spin. It's just a personal thing. I like them in no later than about 7 months so I breed for it. It's not right or wrong it's just what Al likes.
Regarding kitting... It's another thing that starts in the breeding pen. Lets say you have 10 or 15 youngsters on the wing after weening, I personally like mine kitting good and tight no later than 3 weeks. I prefer earlier.
Again I breed for it. Not right or wrong, just me.
Regarding flying out of the kit... It's tricky with youngsters because some do need a little more time than others to adjust to kitting or rolling. This also goes into the character of the family and knowing how long it usually takes and if you'll tolerate longer than the norm. Again it's your choice and starts in the breeding loft as well. I personally cull harder than average so I won't tolerate too much for too long. There's a good chance I've lost some good birds with this attitude but I prefer to see them all up and going by a certain time.
If they're flying out after a couple of months I "Arrange a meeting" (cull)
Regarding sloppy rollers ... I get rid of them even if they blur. For me it's an eye sore. It's so easy to go on this forum with this great list of roller men and get nice rollers that don't roll sloppy.
Depth is the easiest thing to get if the other qualities are there. (Character, kitting, quality spin, body type) Go for those first and the depth will present itself.
Just my thoughts. Hope this helps.
See you in the roll.----------
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
Last Edited by big al on Aug 18, 2005 9:40 PM
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upcd
4 posts
Aug 21, 2005
1:51 AM
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So another word time is a factor in regrauds to culling rollers. It is a gamble or a waiting game. Some people want quick anwser and there is not one.
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Mount Airy Lofts
37 posts
Aug 21, 2005
10:55 PM
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If you asked me, age has nothing to do with if I should 'cull' or not. When I look at a bird to 'cull', I look at how much air time it has logged in. This means if I had to lock them down for let's just say 2 months - then I would give them a extra month plus 2 months added into their air time. I think 8 months of air time is more then enough time to 'cull' a bird. That is if the birds are being flown every day or every other day for 8 straight months.
Locking them down for a long period will retard their performance and I would give them some more le-way time to get them back shape prior to lock down.
It's not age in my books but more so how many hours they have logged in.
Thor
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Aug 21, 2005 10:57 PM
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