Rockin'_Rollers
1 post
Aug 23, 2005
1:33 PM
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Hi,
How much Apple Cider should I put in a gallon of water? I can't remember.
Thanks!!
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George Ruiz
46 posts
Aug 23, 2005
1:34 PM
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I use a Tablespoon per gallon
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Rockin'_Rollers
2 posts
Aug 23, 2005
1:35 PM
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Thanks
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Spud
3 posts
Aug 23, 2005
2:47 PM
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I treat my birds every Thursday, 1 Table spoon per gallon. I also put 2 Table spoons in a glass of water and drink it myself! It's not bad. (yep, that's two table spoons!)
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highroller
47 posts
Aug 23, 2005
3:27 PM
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two tablespoons are not bad, huh spud? are your taste buds dead or are ya trying to get some newbie to gag? LOL
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spinnerpigeon
37 posts
Aug 23, 2005
6:24 PM
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LOL!
I think Dan is right!! I usally put 3 or 4 table spoons to a gallon. LOL! I am probably killing my bird's taste buds. I usally put in the water about once a week (or whenever I remember to put it in. lol)
Caleb
Last Edited by spinnerpigeon on Aug 23, 2005 6:24 PM
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Alan Bliven
234 posts
Aug 23, 2005
6:40 PM
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It may depend on what the pH of your tap water is. Ours is 8.0 and higher so I use 1/4 of a cup per gallon. The best is the brand with the Mother.
Apple Cider Vinegar at at lease one ounce to the gallon lowers the pH in the gut, which makes the salmonella, count drop. This vinegar also has many trace minerals in it.
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Alan
Last Edited by Alan Bliven on Aug 23, 2005 6:51 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
126 posts
Aug 23, 2005
9:08 PM
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I use about a cap full to a gallon each time I fill up the waterers. The only time I don't is when giving them vitamins or medications.
Brian.
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upcd
10 posts
Aug 24, 2005
2:05 AM
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I use 1 tbsp of ACV to 1 gallon water. What do you guys use for a ground cover in your lofts? I use pine shavings.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
440 posts
Aug 24, 2005
3:42 AM
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I don,t measure but usually 2 or 3 tablespoons per gallon every time I fill the waterers.I use approx.30 gallons a year.
On my loft floor I use Ground Corn Cobs when I have them to get ground along with wood chips and whatever hay stems they drag around.I usually have approx.1-1/2 to 2 inches of litter on the floor.David
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Alan Bliven
237 posts
Aug 24, 2005
10:50 AM
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I only have one loft that has a hard floor and I use cedar shavings. But I hate hard floors. All my other lofts and my kit boxes have wire floors. Wire floors are so nice! I use expanded steel.
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Alan
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Dunn2701
5 posts
Aug 24, 2005
12:53 PM
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Why do you guys put this in the water? I used medication like once or twice a month. I also put vitamins in there about twice a month. Just to keep my birds healthy. You do know if you keep using the same kind of medication the birds become immune to it. I put bleach in my water every now and then to keep the wate pales clean. I might try this apple cider vinegar thing if it helps. Let me know why.
Thanks a lot !!
Dunn2701
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
127 posts
Aug 24, 2005
12:53 PM
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All of my lofts are bare wood since I raise hundreds of show birds with muffs. Have to have solid floors. I have used cob, shaving, sand, etc and my favorite is a mix of dried shit and big shavings. Makes great bedding for the muff birds. But if i had no muffs birds, I would definitely have expanded metal floors in all 14 lofts!
Brian
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J_Star
38 posts
Aug 24, 2005
1:05 PM
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Dunn,
You use medication once or twice a month? Why? You said that they become immune to those medications if used excessively!!!
Medication should only be given to them when needed. Vitamins, if given too much of it makes them too strong and will fly like homers and will sky out. Cider Vinegar will add acidity to the water to kill any growth of bacteria. It is healthier and allot better than bleach. Even thou, I do not give allot of it but one tblspoon is more than sufficient to a gallon of water.
Jay
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Alohazona
48 posts
Aug 25, 2005
12:42 AM
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Sorry folks,I meant www.alkalife.com,Aloha,Todd
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Alohazona
49 posts
Aug 25, 2005
1:29 AM
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Brian,my family of rollers have heavy muffs.When I remdeled my loft,I went from cedar/pine shavings to 75%wire floors and were I keep my mature heavy muffed birds,I use RUBBER MULCH.A by-product of tire re-cappers,100% rubber,no metal.It comes in different sizes from 1/4" chips on up,it can be screened,washed and re-used,100% non toxic,electrostatically charged,so it doesn't fly around,and if it gets wet,it drys out,bugs dont live in it,its extremly cheap, which is an added+,about$40 for a truckbed full,all in all,I'm VERY happy with it.
The guy I get it from lives out on the North Shore, which is a long trip[by Hawaii standards,lol],thats why I buy a truckload.His business paints the mulch,for modern playground surfaces[swings,monkeybars,etc.],thats what turns it into gold for him.I have had no adverse effects, only ++'s,Goodbye to shoveling sour shavings loaded with mealworms and bugs.Aloha,Todd
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
441 posts
Aug 25, 2005
3:55 AM
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Todd.Never heard of Rubber Mulch.Sure sounds interesting.I guess it would work around the Shrubs too? It will probably be 10 years untill we get it here where I live.They always joke about Fulton County being 10 years behind everyone else.LOL.Any more info would be appreciated. David
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Alohazona
50 posts
Aug 25, 2005
10:14 AM
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David,I had waterers custom fabricated from a gentleman in Florida,he made a slight mention of RUBBER MULCH,when he sent me pictures of his fabrications,I think that day the rain was comming in almost horizontal,so I jumped all over it as I just had finished shoveling wet shaving out of the loft replacing it with dry.He informed me of the benefits,and vagely told me where I could obtain it.Writing it off as something I could NEVER get my hands on,I delayed my search for it.One day, finishing early at work,I decided to make some phone calls,3 calls laterI was in touch with the man I'm dealing with.He is very helpful and offered me 100lbs for free to try out and tell other bird people about.So you see David,sometimes things are just a phone call away,where I go to get it, only has one store in town and is in the sticks[lol].Aloha,Todd
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nicksiders
187 posts
Aug 25, 2005
10:45 PM
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I understand putting vitimins and minerals in thier water and I understand putting something in thier bath water for mites and stuff..............but, why are you treating them when they are not showing any signs of illness?
The right feed and the right amount of feed plus some vitamins and minerals added and a bath once in awhile should keep them healthy.
If one of them (or a few) show signs of illness then and only then isolate them and medicate. Why medicate a healthy bird?
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upcd
13 posts
Aug 26, 2005
12:08 AM
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Greetings Bluesman, Have you every had any unexplain deaths? My girlfriend was using bed o cob. I think that is corn cob and she was finding dead rollers. So we examed them and they were eating the corn cob and it got logded in the back of thier throat and they could no longer breath. 4 birds total. I total her about paw talk. It a pet site where if you go to pet birds, Mnay parrot etc. have lost thier lives to cob. I ask her to switch to shavings and everything was great. I have a concert floor and use pine shvings in the breeder loft. the young bird cages are wire floor. Ilike concert because it can be hose off. ACV is used to acidife the water and retrad the growth of bactria which causes Paratyhroid. You know twisted neck, shakes, limp wings and legs, black eggs, baby death, carriers, ect.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
442 posts
Aug 26, 2005
2:59 AM
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UPCD. No I havn't had any problems with them eating the ground corn cobs.I actually throw several handfuls of grain on the loft floor when I am feeding so the young on the floor can pick around at it.The old birds like to work the litter on the floor and it gets the young eating early too.Been doing this for years and no unexplained deaths.David
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motherlodelofts
246 posts
Aug 26, 2005
12:52 PM
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Dave I like cobb also, during the summer though I use nothing as scraping is easy due to the dryness and it makes it's own litter.
Last Winter I went to get enough cobb for my needs and the cost was through the roof.
So I decided on wood pellets for pellet stoves as it was like 2 cents a pound, I found that it worked great and due to the cost I will stick with it.
Upcod I would say that if birds eat cobb that they are severly missing something in thier diet and are seaching, but to be honest my first thought was throat canker and it was mistaken as cobb in thier throats as it would look close to the same.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Aug 26, 2005 12:52 PM
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maxspin
2 posts
Aug 26, 2005
1:19 PM
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I had a bad experience with wood pellets. I used them in the bottom of my carry crate when I used to race birds. I had several young birds eat the pellets, then drink water. The pellets swelled with fatal results.
Keith
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Sourland
18 posts
Aug 26, 2005
7:05 PM
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I've been useing the ground corn cobs for about six months and really like them. They don't seem to draw mositure like some other products, and so far I have had no problems with birds consumeing them and dying. I scrape the floor every couple of days with a small rake to remove feathers and crap. Cost is somewhat prohibitive, but the product seems to last a long time.
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motherlodelofts
248 posts
Aug 27, 2005
7:42 AM
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Kieth , after I had just put the pellets down through the loft , ind. breeeding , foster loft.
That thought crossed my mind and I was more than a little concerned and so I called others that had used it and was re assured. I didn't have a problem , once water hits them they ballon up big time.
These are pretty large , I wonder if you had a smaller pellet
On the cider , I just throw in a swig and then smell it, if it is strong I just pour a little out and put in more water. It just isn't that critical to pull out a spoon
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Aug 27, 2005 5:42 PM
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