upcd
19 posts
Aug 27, 2005
2:34 AM
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Greetings, Roller people, Have you heard of XXX brimingham rollers. They started in Calif. I was called XXX roller club. I received a call from the president of the XXX club. His name is Dave or David Parson, Person. I did't get the the right spelling. He lifes in SAn Bernandino. He is old school. Anybody Remeber? I also believe that there are few members in different states. Thanks, Debbie
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Richard A.
65 posts
Aug 29, 2005
7:48 PM
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Iv'e never heard of him Debbie, but there are so many good Roller Breeders that only fly for them selfs and not interested in competitions.
Richard
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dave
15 posts
Aug 29, 2005
8:26 PM
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My cousin went to visit one of these that's part of that group. It might have been him but I don't remember the guy's name. The guy that my cousin visited sold his birds to Tyson for big bucks. My cousin said that guy also had good birds. He lives south of Bakersfield close to the rest stop up there, I believe.
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upcd
20 posts
Aug 29, 2005
10:48 PM
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Could be. You are right about alot of good birds out there. What is considered a good roller?
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centralvalleylofts
13 posts
Aug 31, 2005
7:05 PM
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also kiser uses tha triple xxx sign on his birds that goes back sometime now in the northern california area.
steve
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upcd
26 posts
Sep 01, 2005
1:05 AM
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David said there were xxx guys all over. I have 2 xxx and they seem like good birds.
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motherlodelofts
256 posts
Sep 01, 2005
6:27 AM
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I don't think that it is a club , but more the type of bird.
I know that Kieser used to band with it, same with JV down south,so I am assuming that evolves around the Sparks/ MCCaully birds , these guys now band WP.
I also think that the XXX goes back much further and there is something nostolgic about it. I guess I could ask the guys that use it LOL
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Mark
2 posts
Sep 01, 2005
12:50 PM
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I belive Michael Curtis (sp) use to band with the XXX logo when he was into the birds a few years ago.
Mark
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upcd
28 posts
Sep 01, 2005
4:44 PM
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They said 10-15 years ago all the guys that used xxx use to meet as a club and fly. Don't know if it was a few friends or more?
Last Edited by upcd on Sep 01, 2005 4:44 PM
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GREED FOR SPEED
4 posts
May 05, 2006
5:58 AM
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Just for the record,XXX bands in the 90's were started by Micheal Curtis out of Yucipa. Micheal is a real knowledgable person in spinners (not rollers) and takes it to the next level. I know it is a little late on this post but as I was strolling through this site I found this post, so I had to put my 10 cents worth and history worth to give Micheal his props. He is the breeder of FALL-GUY and the OLD MAN BY THE SEA LINE(the two being brothers) along with many other birds(spinners) and great breeders.............LATER........GREED FOR SPEED........
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dale calvillo
11 posts
May 06, 2006
3:01 PM
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Hey Greed for Speed,
E-mail me, i have a XXX Question to ask you.
Dale
Spinwzrd@msn.com
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chachi
3 posts
May 06, 2006
5:00 PM
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Hey Greed for Speed,
Was wondering what you meant by a" knowledgable person in spinners, not rollers", what is your definition of the two-spinner verses roller. What is taking it to the next level mean?
ChaChi
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Mongrel Lofts
162 posts
May 06, 2006
6:47 PM
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Hey Greedy,
I new Mike Curtis personally.. Only guy I know that had his beard trimmed to look like 56 Chevy flames.. LOL Mike was a bit eccentric.. The old man by the sea was the name they gave Mr. Medcaef, Sp.. The fall guy line was based around some Cornell Norwood birds.. The only thing Mike took to the next level was being able to talk guys into letting him cull their good birds for them.. Then taking them back to LA and selling them.. LOL Mike took it to another level and made spinners not rollers?? You have to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, I really like Mike Curtis But I to would like to know about Mike taking the roller to the spinner level. I saw Mike fly his birds a few times,, Seen that maze loft he built and seen his kits fly at his mom's place.. Never seen anything roll at his place I haven't seen at a 100 other lofts many times over.. Just some history, not another legend story.. Mongrel Lofts
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nicksiders
562 posts
May 06, 2006
8:37 PM
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Ain't a spinner a roller. I know not all rollers are spinners, but all spinners are rollers...............don't know where you are coming from here, my friend. I have never really heard of Mike Curtis and I don't see alot about him in print either.
I hear of Ollette(sp), KGB, Hoyle, Stuka, Mee, Niebel, Higgins, BMC and of course Hiene (can't spell his last name) along with several others, but I don't know Mike Curtis. Where are these XXX birds now? I don't see them in anybodies lofts that are kicking butt in the WC or the NBRC Fall Fly.
I am confussed...............LOL
Last Edited by nicksiders on May 06, 2006 8:38 PM
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GREED FOR SPEED
5 posts
May 06, 2006
10:06 PM
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nicksiders what up ,well all I can say that a roll is definetly not a spin ,until you see a spin then thats when you can tell the differance and you can never see the action the same way agin.A spinner is a bird that took it to the next level and theres alot of people who can not see this or will never get it in a life time,,,LOL! To see that a person gets alot of publicity does not make them a better or lesser pigeon breeder there are also levels of them also,,LOL,,,,,XXX bands is what they were banded not the bird line,,,LOL,,,......speed (velocity) and style(quality) is where it's at.......GREED FOR SPEED..,later
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GREED FOR SPEED
6 posts
May 06, 2006
10:57 PM
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Hey Dale I tried to e-mail you but for some reanon it didnt go through,could you please type it agin thanks.......__(Mongrel lofts)___ what up, Mike Curtis being eccentric, whats that got to do with anything its irrelevant with his knowledge with the birds... LOL...No Doubt the FALL GUY was NORWOOD line and OLD MAN BY THE SEA,,but it was Mike who bred these birds out of 544 and 1344. No I am not kidding when I wrote he would breed spinners that was his aim or goal, I have seen them over and over, till this day I use these birds as part of my make up or line and breed true right up to par,there are other well known pigeon persons that have used bird from him also....Oh yeah his beard wasnt flames it was or it still is his initals LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! GREED FOR SPEED....late
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Mongrel Lofts
163 posts
May 07, 2006
12:42 AM
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Hi Greedy,
That's just short for Greed for speed.. LOL I can think of a couple of guys that have a touch of Mike Curtis birds behind them now.. Joe Granada who is now out of rollers is one of them.. I think both Joe Kiser and Joe Borges now have some of Mikes Fall guy stuff in some of their birds.. Our Buddy JV. Broek also has some of Mikes Norwood birds behind his stuff now, from the Blue bar cock he got from Kiser.. Towards the end there Greedy, Mike Curtis started getting into the Odd Mongrel colors, Opal, almond and stuff like that.. I would be scared to death of any of Mike Curtis birds just before he got out of the breed.. Lots of funky Monkey color stuff going on there at the end.. I don't know of anyone who flys Mike Curtis birds only and has ever been able to put up a great kit.. That of course doesn't mean there is no one out there.. Just that I don't know of them.. Nor have I ever heard rumor of them.. You are correct though.. A few very well known roller men crossed some Curtis birds into their lines. At the very least, the Curtis birds did not seam to effect those lines in a negative way.. I can't say honestly if the Curtis birds helped the lines or not, as the birds I know of that were crossed, were a stellar family for many many years before Curtis came along..
That's funny about Mike's beard.. Seams he has a few story's for that oddly shaped face hair.. LOL Mike could talk a starving homeless deaf person out of his last quarter.. He had the gift of gab.. I remember him talking to my wife about her diet for well over an hour when him and the boys came to stay at my place.. LOL Mike was (is) one of a kind Greedy.. You couldn't help but like the guy.. I always enjoyed his company and friendship.. He was breeding for the same thing all the good roller men I know are breeding for..The hardest, fastest, most stylish rollers we can breed.. Mike just had a special way of making what he was breeding, seam so Glorious and a cut above.. It was a real gift.. A great story teller to say the least.. I was always more of a show me, Then tell me kind of roller man.. For some reason, Telling me how great your spinners are, just always seamed so easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone could tout great spinners and how they had improved the breed.. Now flying the birds and showing how much faster your spinners were,, Well, that is where most of the story's end Greedy.
I like a good story as much as the next guy Greedy .. I just don't believe every story I hear.. You ever watch that show myth busters? Well, Fact is, Mike bred rollers and called them spinners.. Most just don't know what a good roller is when they see one..Once they finally do see a real roller, they think they have seen something new that has never been seen before!!! They rename the real roller, a spinner.. Thinking they have created something most men have never seen before!! They even fool themselves into believing many just can't see the spin factor its so fast.. CHING GOW how delusional is that?? Mike Curtis spinners are just good rollers Greedy, and good rollers are being flown in lofts all over this country!! FACT, another myth just BUSTED!! Tell Mike I said Hi if you see him.. Mongrel Lofts
Last Edited by Mongrel Lofts on May 07, 2006 6:08 AM
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GREED FOR SPEED
7 posts
May 07, 2006
6:25 AM
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Mongrel, good to hear from you. Yeah Mon. Mike did have some vary strange thoughts,you know it LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Opal stuff(George Gulla's) he had for along time before his M.I.A,I didn't use any of that either, that was a side project he was doing.I agree with you also a "show me type of guy" let the birds do the talking for you, but you knowing Mike, he had the gift to break a bird down from eye sign to bone structure, you have to agree with me on this one if you were around him. I know that there is quite of few people who could do this also,here's another person you have got to know also, bob maunder LOL,,oh man what a character, a person with issues that I have had my differences with and try to keep my distance from, thats another story, but I will give the credit or respect for knowing a bird and thats all.What I do is what is said about birds I put it to the test and see if it pans out if they were right according to experiance.Lets be honest and on the real not everyone breeds for spinners in this game, there's people who breed just for point scoring and that's ok, if thats their gaol for them(respected),but there are those that want to and know how to breed the high calibre bird(the spinner),thats the aim and goal for some people,and I know it's never a 100% success there's always cull's but we keep trying.....QUALITY ON A QUANTITY..(nothing less). Seeing a spinner and a roller there is a huge differance to see and cant be denied (even STEVIE WONDER could see that) LOL!!!!! I haven't seen Mike for years either but if you see him before I do tell him I said hi,I hear he's back and went up north to kieser's and earley's house. Hey man it's good chating with you.....sorry to have ruffled anybody's feathers but I had to keep it on the REAL......GREED (GREEDY) FOR SPEED.......
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glenn
15 posts
May 07, 2006
10:32 AM
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The question is does anyone know the parents to 544 or The Copper Head Cock?
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GREED FOR SPEED
8 posts
May 07, 2006
5:47 PM
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GLENN, yes I have the info for BCRC 78 544. His top side is from BCRC - 74 - 224 (silver marked) from NBRC 71 850 red check self (from Richard Lawry---Lawry's seasoned salt)and NL70-5...........bottom side is NBRC 72 3246 (PERFECTO) T-check beard.......from NPA AK- 68- 990 (black check marked)....and from PRC-64-3400 (red check self)......544's brother was SONNY-BOY,he and perfecto i'am sure you know are pictured on Cornell'S book on page 61 and 39. I was fortunate to end up with a son of 544 and 1344 from NL-80-60 also pictured on page 26. This bird with his brother side crossed with plumber (NORWOOD) bird are still domiate in my family line make up to this day. I hpoe this helped you out Glenn..................LATER MAN..........Greed for speed.........
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glenn
16 posts
May 07, 2006
5:58 PM
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So who is Greed for Speed?
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GREED FOR SPEED
10 posts
May 08, 2006
7:18 PM
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YO, Glen could you please post your e-mail address to converse more in depth... GRACIAS.....GREED FOR SPEED LOFTS.......................
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parlorfancier916
6 posts
May 08, 2006
7:23 PM
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finally I know the club name, all of my time that I have been raising pigeons I finally know the name of the club that has helped me produce my parlor rollers and high fliers, If any one knows a way I can contact this group email me at b-b-o-y-4-l-y-f@hotmail.com
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parlorfancier916
7 posts
May 08, 2006
10:31 PM
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hey mongrel loft do you have mikes number?
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nicksiders
566 posts
May 09, 2006
7:44 PM
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LMAO.........
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3757
2 posts
May 12, 2006
8:00 AM
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It is very interesting to see that some fanciers are not really interested in growth and wisdom. We can learn from listening to other points of view. Also, you cannot judge a fanciers birds until you have seen them at their peak and have watched the birds many times. One, two or three visits are not enough statistical sampling to make judgments. This is skewed data. It is almost like judging a race of people because you met a few people from that group.
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2008 5:54 AM
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nicksiders
576 posts
May 12, 2006
9:29 AM
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So your saying that if you increase the number of samplings you can then properly judge a race of people?
I never judge people and race has no influence on what I would judge by. Simply, people are people and race is just a physical discription that man has established as a tool for identity and should not be used for a value judgement of any behavior.
"the color of the bird has no influeance on the performance of the bird"
This is my opinion only.............Nick
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3757
3 posts
May 12, 2006
10:06 AM
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Nick - My post was not towards you. But, to answer your question I am saying that fanciers judge birds based on the one, two or three times that they have visited a fancier’s home. In comparison to the birds studies have shown that individuals categorize groups of people by the one or two that they have encountered or by what they have heard. This is how sterotypes are established. In either case, with the birds and individuals you cannot (and the “you” is not for you Nick) make statements about someone's family of birds as do so many fanciers do. This is not uplifting for our hobby and in most cases there is no substance to the statements.
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2008 5:55 AM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
515 posts
May 12, 2006
12:55 PM
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If I have to go to a person's house more than three times to see some good rollers, I'll be damned if I will ever get that guy's birds. Good rollers will roll everyday. Two times is all a person needs to make a call on whether the guy is flying some good pigeons or not. Stiffs and pedigree bred rollers are the only rollers that have "bad days".
Brian.
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3757
4 posts
May 12, 2006
2:47 PM
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Well McCormick lofts I have been around in rollers 42 years and many of the greats (Lehmeyer, Mcdowell, Bob Scott, Patrick, Bellamy, Fisher, Eastwood, Radsick, Hebert, Peterson and I could name more) had youngsters in the air etc and if you were there on that specific day you would say like all the rest of the talk out there that the birds were no good. Even Bill Pensom had days when his birds had a bad day. Nonsense! That is why the Racing homer sport has such and advantage to the roller hobby due to the our biases etc..
Last Edited by 3757 on May 12, 2006 4:28 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
517 posts
May 12, 2006
2:57 PM
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LD, it has nothing to do with biases, nor does it have anything to do with flying young birds. If I go to a guy's house to see his birds with the notion I might want to pursue acquiring some of them, I don't want to see a bunch of young birds fly around, I want to see the good ones, the ones that are the best he has to fly in his kit boxes. The ones that are supposed to be an example of what he is working with and flying. Wouldn't you?
Brian.
Last Edited by MCCORMICKLOFTS on May 12, 2006 2:59 PM
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3757
5 posts
May 12, 2006
3:49 PM
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Brian - If I invite you to my home to purchase birds and to see my kits I better have something great in the air. This I agree with but, my point had nothing to do with this scenario. I am talking about individuals who put down others without really knowing the birds or seeing them at their best. You and I know that this happens quite often. This is my point. Your statement is valid.
Last Edited by 3757 on May 12, 2006 4:26 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
518 posts
May 12, 2006
4:41 PM
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Unfortunately that will always be a part of the roller world LD. Some areas are very "clicky". If you don't fly the same family of birds they do, there will be cheap talk. Only way to discredit that type of thing is to put up some nice birds that prove through their performance, what they are capable of. Even still, some will nit pick the hell out of them just to make theirs seem more superior. In the end it has more to do with personalities and character than the birds themselves.
Brian.
Last Edited by MCCORMICKLOFTS on May 12, 2006 4:41 PM
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katyroller
27 posts
May 12, 2006
6:14 PM
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Question... If a fancier nevers learns to properly train/fly his kits but everyone he sells or gives birds to, does well with them, does that mean his birds are crap? No, it just means he is a crappy flier. So if you go to his house twice and he flies his best kit(s)and "you" feel his birds flew like crap, what did you expect? You already know he is a crappy flier. If another fancier always wins the W/C but no one else can get the same results from this guys' birds, are his birds crap? No, he is just a great flier but his birds will eventually be considered crap because no one else can duplicate his success and he will be considered very lucky.
My suggestion is this. Fly what you like and if you see something you like, give the fancier credit and respect his standard. If you don't like his birds, don't get them and keep degrading remarks to yourself.
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nicksiders
579 posts
May 12, 2006
10:15 PM
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I am OKAY and I apologise for some of what I said in my last post. I now know what your saying and I can agree to a certain point. A good flyer will always have some impressive individual birds in the air even if overall his kit(s) have gone flat so any visit can have some success.
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