Newflyer
14 posts
Aug 28, 2005
12:16 PM
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If all rollers suppsoedely generated from the same family. Then WHY is there so much said about all the different familys? And as a new cummer to the hobby is it wrong to have birds from different familys mixed together,being that they are all ROLLERS. Or are some families better then others? Does it really make a huge difference in your final outcome? Too have the best Rollers possible no matter how it is done? Stumped and confused
Paul
Last Edited by Newflyer on Aug 28, 2005 12:18 PM
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motherlodelofts
252 posts
Aug 28, 2005
2:48 PM
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Paul, various families can be as different as night and day as far as reacting to feed,training, flying ect., some families work well together while others just don't.
When families are mixed everything is all over the board and it it harder to "learn" your birds , but also some families are compatable and handle simular.
Scott
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Ceds
2 posts
Aug 29, 2005
12:10 AM
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Paul,I only agree to a certain extend with what Scott has to say about it is harder to learn your birds when Families are mixed.On the other hand you find that different birds has different chacteristics regardless of whether they good or bad,so if you breed the good characteristics into what your family don't have, it can be fruitfull in terms of results.
I am flying the old 213 strain from Bob Brown which I think has good quality and debt but not so good in terms off team work.On the other hand I found that Mason birds work well together but don't have the quality and debt of my Bob Browns.I have recently crossed some Mason's into my family,gee they work well and compliment each.This might not work for other families as I believe that compatability plays an important role.
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Alan Bliven
239 posts
Aug 29, 2005
9:30 AM
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You have to understand that many of the families have been inbred for many years and even decades, making them totally distinct from another family that's been bred the same way. That makes them different in the way they fly, react, perform and so on, almost to the extent that they are different breeds. Even their physical attributes are so different you'd swear two different families are two different breeds.
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Alan
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Newflyer
15 posts
Aug 29, 2005
1:47 PM
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Thanks for all your input guys .. It gives me somewhat of a better unbderstanding now, than, what I had before the first post. But how does one find out what families are compatable with each other? And where do I find out about all the different families that are out their and what their differences are? Or does it depend on what area of the country U live in? Iam in Ohio.
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Alan Bliven
240 posts
Aug 29, 2005
7:13 PM
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I'd say go visit the breeders or talk with them on the phone and get a detailed explanation of their family.
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Alan
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Richard A.
62 posts
Aug 29, 2005
7:37 PM
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I think that what you originally said in the beginning was really correct. The final outcome is all that matters. If you have developed your own stock of rollers, or are using a stock that is not being used by the majority of those out there, but yours roll as good or better,and can reproduce, I would say that you are in pretty good shape.
Richard A.
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Mount Airy Lofts
39 posts
Aug 29, 2005
8:29 PM
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Just because they branch out from the same tree, each branch has their own characteristics.
A certain breeder may like deep rolling birds vs. shallow workers. While another breeder may go for type and eye sign alone.
Every breeder has their own agenda in mind and once it has been tained, it is like Scott said... night and day.
I have experience this already and will be 'culling' this new stuff I just aquired (have been breeding out of them for 2 season) from the same family but different breeder. In my mind, they are as different as night and day.
There is nothing wrong with collecting the best bird where ever you see them no matter of relations... altho it takes a very experienced Fancier to make something out of it tho. For a new comer, I would recommend you stick with one family. It's just alot easier.
Just my opinion,
Thor
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upcd
21 posts
Aug 29, 2005
10:56 PM
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There are so many families it is impossible to know them all. I would go to clubs and competetions to see these families preform. See what the winners look like and get yours as close to the ideal as possible.
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big al
100 posts
Aug 30, 2005
1:56 AM
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Hi Newflyer,
There was some very good advise in the previous posts.
I can tell you that what you ask depends a lot on the overall experience of the fancier. An individual with extensive breeding experience knows how to go from A to Z without too much trial and error. They can look at body type, character, roll style, frequency, depth, kitting habits and a host of other criteria to determine the compatability of birds from different families. In most cases breeding best to the best means more than how the birds perform in the roll. I don't mean to imply that a novice cannot have success raising several families, I just mean that there are a lot of considerations they may not know to address.
Yes families are like night and day in their diversity. So what works for one family may be disaster for another. When I began raising birds again I started with a few families but I kind of knew what to do so I had an edge. It's taken me 3 years to narrow down to one family and a few project pairs. I also had lots of help and advise from good friends who fly.
If you're new my advise is to start with one family and get as much advise from the breeder as you can on how to pair up the birds as you move along in the program.
Hope this helps!
See you in the roll...
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Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Newflyer
17 posts
Aug 31, 2005
5:05 PM
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Hey Guys.... Once again I new I could depend on all of you to help me get my head straight. Thanks for all the GREAT advise. Now I just have to sit down and put it all together and KEEP learning from all of YOU.
Fly High and Roll On, Paul
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centralvalleylofts
16 posts
Aug 31, 2005
9:37 PM
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hey new guy i am still new myself and am still learning from my mistakes but belive me when i say that there really is no short cut in this game. i have flown many different birds from god knows who and from local guys here in my area i have attended and paticipated in the flys and am having fun and tribulations with my birds. there are times when i just want to give up but when you see your labors and hard work come together man i tell you
theres no feeling like it you just want to yell and tell everyone yeah those are my birds and my kit that just did that. thats right and then boom what the heck happened they were just there now they look like rookies and all over the place. theres more to just the birds bloodlines theres the most important thing to this puzzle and that is the handler,feed,health,time of year,weather rain wind over flys predators location there are way to many variables in this sport and is why many people dont stick with and some are like yoyos back and forth quiting all the time because they can get a handle on there birds and blaming everyone but themselfs the rewards are awlsome for those that stick with it but for beginners stay with one famaly and get a mentor someone with vast experience and patient never be imbarest to any question becuse knowledge is key.hope this helps centralvalleylofts.
steve
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motherlodelofts
255 posts
Sep 01, 2005
6:22 AM
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Good post Steve , Steve I'm hearing that you have a good team this year , thats great !!!!!!!!!
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