Fr.mike
5 posts
Sep 11, 2005
6:03 PM
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Iknow this may seem a little arrogant--seeing that I have not even flown one bid and it will beanother year Lord willing before I do!--but I have been thinking about this hawk problem alot,and I just wanted to share my thoughts and get your feedback. If I am all wet -go right ahead and tell the newbee --He doesnt know what the heck he's talking about!--I will start with my assumptions--It seems to me that the most vurnable moment for a hawk attack is when the kit is landing on the kitbox.(roof) and If you lived in my house--I have 60ft trees that line my property all the way around,they are aprox.30yards out on each side and back from where I want to put my kitbox Sooo--this is my idea--(I will try and explain as clearly as I can !Lol)I was thinking. How can I minimize hawk from sitting in the trees-and haveing their daily kentucky fried rollers -- what if I extend from the roof line verticaly coragated fiberglass sheating on the outer edge of the 4x4 kit box.Aprox 18in off the back of the peak of the pitched roof(the pitch slanting down towads me as I face the box.On the right and left side as I face the box,vertical-sides if you will coragated sheets extending from the peak towards the front which would make them aprox.2.5 Ft. high on each side on my rt. and left.You see its a matter of angulation (dont know if that is a word?)In order for mister hawk--coming from my right to left (as i face the kit box)-perched at the very top of the 60ft trees 30yards to my right---He could only hit a bird on the far left (from center line to my left which is aprox.a 2'x4' cerfice area)He must exceed a 31 degre angle of decent .To hit a bird in the center of the roof he must exceed a 40 degree decent which puts him aprox. at the 80ft mark far above the 60ft tree line.This would not elemnate hawk attacks but It might minamize his window of opptunity.--from the back of the loft he would have to be 68ft to attack from a tree --they are only about 40ft.He also has a very sharp angle in which to swoop down and change from decending (kill bird) and acesend.In affect the birds would drop down into a sheilded pocket.(which i dont know if they will do?)Making it difficult for the hawks angle of decent.Without the pocket he can fly from any angle off the trees and pick a peach!He can even swoop down below the roof line and rise to take his pick off the edge.What i am talking about is minimizing his persentages.Another observation--wile watching someone eleses birds land and trap--I noticed that He had a trap hole aprox 1'x8"--the birds were backing up--bumpping in to each other and waiting on the roof(very vulnarable) for there turn to get in.wouldnt it be beter to have a much wider trap to minamize time spent on the roof?Hey i am just thinking out loud and would like your enput.Also to prevent the birds from landing on the of the coragated fiberglass you could cut a sawtouth pattern all the way around.Well there it is--My little brain fart What say ye?
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fhtfire
202 posts
Sep 11, 2005
6:24 PM
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LOL! Well...it is a nice thought in a perfect world...but usually the Rollers sense the hawk before they even hit the kit box...he will hit them as they come in....the hawk will also swoop them and make them take off again...and tag them. ...the hawk will change its strategy. I have no damn trees...I am in a new neighborhood and the damn hawk came in.....in between the houses like a fighter pilot and hit the bird that was on the trap...now...my kit box is about 3.5 feet behind my breeder loft facing my breeder loft and he still almost got it. Sorry to burst your bubble..but...you can try and report back.
rock and ROLL
Paul Fullerton
Last Edited by on May 30, 2007 11:09 AM
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Fr.mike
6 posts
Sep 11, 2005
7:01 PM
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hey Paul thanks for the info --I know that the hawk will change his stratage I am only talking about narowing the margin if you only cut the percentage 15% thats alot of birds .I will try it I will let you know about 1 year from now.what do you think about enlarging the with of the trap to expedite the birds entrance?
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spinnerpigeon
38 posts
Sep 12, 2005
2:32 PM
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Hey Mike,
Hey man, it sounds great! But the only thing you have to consider is that hawks aren't machienes, meaning they will change their strategy and they will stick with one that works. Heck, I had a Red-tail hawk trap into one of my lofts and kill a pigeon, and now, that he has tasted sucess on a pigeon he has trapped back in again and after that he was still hanging around the house. All I am saying is Hawks a very intelligent animals and if they find that one method don't work, they will find another one that does! LOL! They can be RELENTLESS! The best theory I can think of, is if you start getting hit by hawks, try flying on a very staggered schedule, like lets say you fly monday at 7am, then Tuesday fly at 5pm and then Wednesday at 12pm I know it may not work out exactly like that. But if you stagger it enough it may work, yet some hawks just have a target painted on your loft and whenever you open the door they are on you. That is just my .02
Caleb
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