tapp
12 posts
Sep 14, 2005
10:09 PM
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Hello all. I've been flying 6 pemson's that are now 8 months old now. flying them once' twice a day' with a day off now and then. And was feeding them pigeon mix some days and wheat and milow 50/50 otherdays some were rolling 15-20 ft lattly. some 5ft frequently. A few days ago I feed them straight wheat and flew them and they flew kind of crazy and did what looked like a heilcoptor spin instead of rolling. So i fed mix and flew. and they rolled normal. yesterday I tryed straight wheat agin 1 tbs each bird and flew them tonight and some of my best ones got going like a heilcoptor spin so fast one about hit the house about 40-50 foot spin. It scared it and lit on the house. Never done that before.I got it to fly agin and did same thing but not so deep one other one did it and some others were doing it along with rolling the right way to.What do you think is going on? Thev'e got deeper and better last 10 days. till I feed straight wheat a few times. p.s is this plate spining? The times I fed 50/50 wheat milow they didn't eat all the wheat. till all I gave them was wheat. And they ate it all. both times this Helicopter thing happened. Thanks! Tapp
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motherlodelofts
268 posts
Sep 15, 2005
2:24 PM
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Tapp, it juiced them due to high carbs and the type of rolling that you saw was them trying to "fight" the roll, which is a good thing as it shows control.
My thought is keep the wheat on so that it doesn't jerk them mentally and see what they do.
I would look for more depth and frequency plus once they quit fighting the roll, more qaulity.
Keep in mind wheat/milo is a weak feed and they need bouts of protien , also depending on where you live once the cold sets in wheat/milo won't sustain them.
I will use wheat/milo to set up for a fly, other than that I use a whole lot of wheat at about 7 monthes and up.
But you must also consider moult and cold.
Scott
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nicksiders
204 posts
Sep 15, 2005
10:59 PM
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Ain't this plate rolling?
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motherlodelofts
270 posts
Sep 16, 2005
7:07 AM
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Tapp keep in mind that mix my be the way to go for your birds , but it is worth seeing what happens once they get used to it (wheat or wheat /milo).
That is a lot of flying for birds that age , I don't know your family though.
Scott
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Alohazona
56 posts
Sep 16, 2005
9:59 AM
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Tapp,if your in Michigan,look up Wendall Spisak and Dennis Burke,they are top notch rollermen and fly outstanding kits.They have the Mee birds,and I know Wendall has Dave Henderson and Scott Campbells bloodline as well.Aloha,Todd
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J_Star
46 posts
Sep 16, 2005
1:15 PM
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Tapp,
That is strange. When I feed my bird’s just wheat, they tend to fly a bit higher. Where do you get your wheat from? Is it for poultry consumption or for agriculture use? If it is the latter, then stop using it because it contains pesticide and it is very harmful to your birds and they could be having a reaction to that feed. If you are using the wheat for poultry use, then continue feeding them the same for about 4 to 5 days before you judge their reaction to the feed. It takes that amount of days for the feed to affect the rollers. Usually, it takes about 13 to 15 days from feeding Wheat to notice deterioration in the roll. That is when you give them more protein such as a pigeon mix for a couple of days (i.e. peas) to get more speed in their roll. Try to mix (33/33/33) Wheat/Milo/pigeon mix for a week and see how that works for you. You always need a few days after feeding the rollers something to judge the effect on them unless it is a drastic change that will effect their flying and rolling immediately.
From the sound of it, are your rollers moulting? and how heavy are they in the moult? You need to take that in consideration this time of year for their sudden behavior. Good Luck...
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Sep 16, 2005 1:18 PM
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tapp
14 posts
Sep 17, 2005
6:30 PM
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Thanks Todd for the names of Mich. flyers. I'll try to get in touch with them.
Jay' The wheat is redwheat. Type used for feed. Not seed wheat as that is treated for planting.As for the moult i think They'er not in it bad. They have all tail and flight feathers. Thay look good and feel good not to light not to heavy.I've not flown them last two Days.I've kept them on the wheat. I'll fly them tomorrow morning and let you all know what happens. Thanks! Tapp
Last Edited by tapp on Sep 17, 2005 6:50 PM
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tapp
15 posts
Sep 18, 2005
7:19 AM
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Well guys I flew the 6 this morning. And the same one rolled from 150 ft till it about hit the ground. Flew to top of barn till I made it fly. It when back up. It and one of my better rollers rolled down to about 20ft from ground and landed on anything they were close to. got em up agin. And first one rolled agin about 100ft till about hit the ground and flew over to the neighbors and is still there.They all flew low and usualy these's guy fly 400+. What were my short snappy rollers 5-10 ft once in a while 20ft are now rolling so deep it semms to scare them and they dont want to fly and kit like they were all summer.Today they seemed not to fight fight the roll. They just rolled to far got scared and landed.The rest seem normal except wanting to land early. and flying low. This could be do to other ones going off and landing. mabe there just comming into the roll/? I'm confused? they look and act like ----! all of a sudden! Tapp
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motherlodelofts
272 posts
Sep 18, 2005
10:10 AM
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Tapp not all families can handle straight Wheat or Wheat/milo due to what you are seeing here.
It sounds like a hotter type bred family where you need to keep the protien up and flown often to keep them strong and from falling apart.
Now you know what it does to "your" birds, you just went through a learning curve with your birds is all.
I am sure the moult is playing in also, maybe try it next Spring on mature birds and see what happens.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Sep 18, 2005 10:14 AM
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tapp
16 posts
Sep 18, 2005
12:00 PM
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Thanks Scott. I've read alot on here and till you actualy see some things happen. Its hard to comprehend. I was flying these out to pick a pair or two of breeders. Can I still pair my best and hope to raise eguilivent or perhaps bettter ones? I started with 8 and am down two six As I took to low lazy flyers out several months ago. try'ed one back in with them and was still lazy flying.Thanks for the Info! My pemsom squeekers are flying good 1 hr twice a day today they got real high lost them for a few min but all came down. flying and trapping good. they are late hatche's from same family I'm flying 9 took 3 out for various things. Im having fun! Will get there someday. Take a few years. Good things take time! Your's trying to be in the sport. Tapp
Last Edited by tapp on Sep 18, 2005 12:04 PM
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J_Star
49 posts
Sep 19, 2005
4:31 AM
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Tapp,
You don't want your birds to fly so high where you can not see them. They will pick up this habit and very hard to break them out of it. Besides, it will cause you an overfly. As i told you, with my birds, Wheat will make them fly high. Therefore, I augment the wheat with other grains. Give the lazy young birds a chance and they usually correct themselves after a couple of weeks.
Jay
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tapp
17 posts
Sep 19, 2005
5:49 AM
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Hi Jay The birds that went way up were my sqeeekers almost 2nd week of flying. feed them pretty much all they want of pigeon mix. The lazy one is 8 monts old. I fly him every day with misfit kit of 4. And when i put him back with my good ones he was still lazy. How do I keep young kit from going so hi? Thank you Tapp
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J_Star
50 posts
Sep 20, 2005
4:52 AM
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Tapp,
Cut down on the feed until they fly for 30 min. Stop giving vitamins for that week. Mix the Wheat with Milo (50/50) for about five days straight. Watch the parameter to be under 29 and not rising. Fly them some what extra hungry. There are other ways but for now try any of those methods and soon will see good results.
If the lazy one is 8 months old, before giving up on it, when was the last time you gave your birds worms medication. If you haven’t, then do so ASAP. If the lazy one doesn’t have worms, then it is a cull. Get red of it.
Jay
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tapp
18 posts
Sep 20, 2005
10:40 AM
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Hi jay. Thanks for advice.Is it ok to feed young pigeons 50-50 wheat milow? they have been flying 2 weeks now.All my pigeons have been wormed with wazine. Then another treatment 2 weeks later. He's A cull.Thanks! Tapp
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