Double D
12 posts
Sep 19, 2005
10:25 AM
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Does anyone own this book? The description says it's for competition flyers, etc. I was just curious before I spend $60 if the price is worth it.
Thanks!
Darin
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Fr.mike
11 posts
Sep 19, 2005
1:08 PM
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hey Double D --It depends on your wallet size! I have the (binder) I thoughtit had alot of good inof--dont know how much I will use--seeing that I am below The rank of newbee because I dont even have any birds yet --Back a few years ago with two kids in college and two still in the nest (LoL) 60.00 would have been too much! but I think it was worth it -at the veary least it will stimulate yor thinking and--at least for me the newer than newbee--it gave me some termnology and kind of a base line of knowledge from which to ask questions when I have visited lofts in my area.
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Double D
13 posts
Sep 19, 2005
1:31 PM
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I don't have birds yet either but am looking to ramp up this next spring with an entirely new operation. Getting the book would be part of the research and getting ready. Are you getting birds anytime soon? If so, where from most likely?
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Fr.mike
12 posts
Sep 19, 2005
3:07 PM
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I have ordered soom birds from this sight and some local flyers i'll see which ones do the best and all thats left regardless of where they come from will bite the dust1
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Velo99
83 posts
Sep 19, 2005
5:53 PM
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Good to see the next class coming in. I guess this means I am not a newbie anymore. :)
I survived my first full year of flying and breeding. Ran around 20% on keepers. Some were marginal but still keepers.I intend to fly in the Fall Fly if I can get a judge.
Now that I have a handle on the situation,some of my roller brothers have seen fit to bless me with a pair of "good" breeders. I now feel like I did last year at this time wondering what the next season will bring,and how I will fully exploit it..
Good luck gentlemen and I hope you enjoy your birds as well as the benefits of this fraternity.
YITS
V99
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fhtfire
210 posts
Sep 20, 2005
12:09 AM
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Double D,
The first thing I will say it is 20% Birds and 80% fancier. The birds have it in them to roll...it is that fancier that really brings it out of them. You could visit 20 top flier lofts and take some of there birds home and not be able to get them to the level of that flier. You could get some birds that just like to roll because the fancier has nailed his breeder selctions, and all you have to learn is just how to tweak them. There are a lot of good birds out there that is for sure. I will just speek from what I think. I have been in pigeons for many years...newer to roller competition. I myself started out with some different strains to see what direction I wanted to go. I narrowed it down the three strains. I have Campbell, Chavarria and Roe/Emami birds. I narrowed it down to these three because the are bred real tight..some tighter then others. But the birds want to roll because they like it. I visited lofts and picked some birds out of the air. I was lucky and started out with breeders and starting building teams and checking the worth of the pairs based on there offspring. I have narrowed it down to certain pairs. These three strains seem to react the same in the kit box. They bond pretty good as a team. My deepest bird is a Ruby Roller, My trigger bird is a Campbell RR hen..very fast and excellent quality..25' bird.....My Roe Emami birds are very fast. They just work good together. Any back to starting out. I picked a Campbell Cock from the air and he pulled a nice hen from his stock loft. The are real good producers...David Vang saw my birds about a week or so ago and loved that little RR Campbell Hen.The Roe birds I picked from the air. The Chavarria birds I got as squeekers never flew them...just bred them. They are very good producers...again they are a tight family. I started with 5 families and narrowed it to 3 families and then narrowed it down even more within the families. Some just start with one strong family and build that family in the direction they wan to go. I started out with real strong families. The two I did not like were just not in the direction that I wanted to go....but they were still good breeders. Just do what you think is right...or what works for you.
Scott....gave me a lot of advice. That is why I dumped the other families..He let me know the importance if not having a lot of different strains. I would try and get the birds from a fancier that has a good rep, Has the type of bird that you like, the character that you like and has birds that like to roll. If you get a young kit from a good family...I would pair them up and breed them. Or try and get some proven breeders and fly out there young and breed them back. The birds are out there it is just a matter of finding what you like. Sometimes some fanciers dump a breeder pair here or there...just for nest box space...or to many breeders...it happens. Now flying out a squeeker kit....I think a seasoned fancier could fly out a kit of squeekers with little problems...but a new person would have a hard time flying out a kit of squeekers and not lose any. Just my thoughts. You may not get a breeders best breeders...but you can get the blood from those best breeders.
rock and ROLL
Paul FUllerton
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Alohazona
60 posts
Sep 20, 2005
12:29 AM
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Tony,has a good publication out,"How to breed better rollers"very informative and has some excellent management styles for breeding and flying,etc.Allot less than 60 bucks,thats the added +,Aloha,Todd
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