scotty
1 post
Oct 08, 2005
8:33 PM
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Fishing for different Rollers over the years,I have noticed Strong valuble traits in most rollers I have obtained.The valuable traits veary.I have had to decide what I like best.I want to breed the Rollers that I have obtained to bring out the best in the birds at hand.I am interested in cultivating some kick ass Rollers.This starts with some top notch birds where ever they can be obtained from.The key is to be able to obtain the seed of choice birds.This will make a difference down the line.Evalution.The birds direction I would imagine are a reflection of my tastes in Rollers,and the tastes of the person where I got the birds from.Crossing two sutch lines a unique bird will imerge.Run with this if it will benifit your direction That you want to go in.That is my suguestion when using different blood lines.Becarfull when crossing different blood it may complicate things as far as keeping track of the possabilities.I try to do this slowly to not get to frustrated witch can happen.If it isn,t going to where I want it to go, I scrap the direction. Ballance in a bird is most important to me.There is the best in all straines.Work with what works best with you. Breed to what you like.Know what makes a true spinning Roller.Breed to this direction.What works for you? It may help me.Lets here some sujestions in this direction.Isint it about cultivation? I am also a gardener and a plant breeder.Happy pigeon breeding,and most of all performance rolling.-Mike
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
371 posts
Oct 09, 2005
4:17 AM
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Mike, you hit the nail on the head when you say start with “top notch birds”. This comment implies that ultimately, you will only get out of a family what is in the gene pool, so starting with the best a person can get is the first step to enjoying rollers and the most important key to unlocking the door on performance.
Crossing two lines will open the gene pool to all that is in the two families. Proper selection for the proper traits is critical to getting the best birds from this gene pool later.
Before I added an outcross, don’t just add any bird to bring in some “new blood”. I would ask what is it specifically that this particular bird has that my family does not have. What possible undesirable traits are there that could pop up?
I would say to always compare your birds critically to other roller families. Who consistently has the best kits you see? If you are lacking in certain traits and this family has it, strongly consider using a bird from this breeder to cross into your family.
Be careful that a cross does not eliminate traits in your birds that are already there. Otherwise, you are going backward and will be back to doing what it took years of selective breeding to attain.
In closing, as a general rule, the better the birds (gene pool) that are acquired in the beginning, the lesser the need to cross to get desirable traits later.
Mike, good post.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by rollerpigeon on Oct 09, 2005 4:47 AM
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
493 posts
Oct 09, 2005
4:45 AM
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Mike.And to add to what Tony said: In making an outcross it is best to use a hen to outcross to.She has less chromosomes to add to the mix.David
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
372 posts
Oct 09, 2005
4:52 AM
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Excellent point David. I have noticed some astute guys who have only bought hens from me which they cross into thier own established roller family.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Velo99
105 posts
Oct 09, 2005
8:21 AM
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Guys,
I have been in for 18 months now. I have raised a cycle of y/b`s in my loft. I have been fairly successful in my own estimation on my percentages of rolling birds. Now I have to get better birds and more roll. "How?" you ask. Just as this thread describes;getting better birds.
I was hooked after my first squeaks started to roll. I made friends and learned tons over the last period of time. Since I am obviously not going anywhere,with or without my birds, I have decided to be a real rollerman and upgrade my program.
I have to be hit in the head with a brick from time to time to understand the full potential of things. I ran a test on my birds and really couldn`t justify going much further with what I had. I need stability. Most of my birds were kinda hot,meaning as I breed they get hotter then turn into a Jonestown for rollers.
The stiffs were stiffer and mixing the two was a dismal failure. It only showed me I had a 12 tail feathered hen in the box and was breeding a few tumblers as well. As I was perusing some of the sites one of my friends had some birds on the nbrc auction. I bid on the birds several times and ultimately was beaten out at the last hour. I emailed my friend and asked if he had any more birds to let go of.
I go the break I was looking for when the response was positive. He was opening a spot in his breeder pen and just happened to have a "click" pair he was willing to relinquish. I knew I was lucky due to the fact it is a difficult feat to acquire such a pair of birds. Gladly I will enter the season next year knowing I have some quality stock to breed from and a friend to help me with any problems I might have.
Don`t waste your time with doodoo birds. Spend a few bucks and get some good stock to start with.
YITS
v99
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motherlodelofts
328 posts
Oct 09, 2005
8:30 AM
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Good post V , it is a journy of learning and moving forward , knowing what you have or don't have and being realistic about it is the key, but keep in bind that it is also a building process.
Over cooked birds are easy to aquire and a no brainer to breed , the bottom line is "good" birds will hammer year in and year out and not fall apart , anything else is garbage.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Oct 09, 2005 8:31 AM
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