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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
381 posts
Oct 29, 2005
4:39 PM
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To All, I am pleased to announce that Allen Strother, aka Big Al from Southern California has made himself available to assist in moderating the All Roller Talk discussion pages.
I am grateful for the assistance and look forward to his input. I hope you will welcome him and appreciate his desire to help the All Roller Talk discussion pages remain a source of quality information to the roller fancier.
Allen (Big Al) has been a regular poster to the boards for some time and expressed a willingness to help out. Moderating can be a challenging endeavor and is not for everyone.
There were and still are many regular posters here with more than sufficient knowledge and ability that could perform the duties being asked. I just happened to mention it to Allen and he accepted. (If you would like to volunteer to moderate in the future and are able to visit site regularly, please contact me and I will be happy to talk with you)
Allen will participate as a regular discussion member. Should topics become too heated or less than civil, he will encourage those involved in that thread to de-escalate and encourage friendship and camaraderie.
As a last resort, he will have the ability to edit posts as appropriate. Those who might resist his goodwill attempts may be temporarily banned from posting to the site. (I should mention that there has been a good effort at "self-policing" which has made reading posts more enjoyable. THANKS)
New posters will be welcomed and encouraged to ask questions and respond to posts. In general, to be made to feel welcome and be an appreciated visitor to the site.
Allen will start moderating immediately. He may or may not post to every thread, but will be enthusiastically read all new posts on a regular basis.
You may be curious as to why are we doing this? I want us all to have the best darn discussion pages for roller pigeons on the Internet, I can use some help from additional moderators who are enthused about the site and contributing to the promotion of the roller pigeon.
Help me welcome Allen as our new Guest Moderator!
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
From Big Al:
Hello my friends. This sure is an honor for me.
Ask yourself a question...
"What best defines me as an example in this hobby?"
Is it your popularity? Your outstanding birds? Being a strong competitor? A great breeder?
Over the months I've learned quite a bit on this site from some awesome roller people. I've also been fortunate enough to share a little of my own knowledge. I've raised rollers off and on now for about 20 years. During this time I have come to realize that when a person dedicates years to this hobby, learns patience, develops skills, and experiences the emotional rollercoaster of failures and triumphs. Sensitivity, passion, pride and other emotions can sometimes be overwhelming but are certainly expected especially when certain topics may be sensitive to us.
I think the most important thing that defines us as hobbyist's is our ability to seek out the most positive and effective way to communicate advise, concerns, opinions, and topics we or someone else may find personally sensitive. Equally important is the perception newcomers have of the site and most importantly...of us! :-)
Yes I believe that certain questions and comments that could be taken as open displays of caustic and demeaning dialogue should be redirected to phone calls or private e-mail since we're all guest's here.
It is not my intent to retard the growth or positive development of this wonderful site by denying freedom of speech, I just believe that the speech should be a reflection of our positive collective goals in this hobby.
Sometimes I'm still in awe over the wealth of knowledge that passes through this site on a daily basis! Man if we only had this form 20 years ago!! LOL!
I really enjoy all of you and look forward to meeting as many of you in person as I can some day!!
"See you in the roll"
"Love in the sport"
Allen Strother (Big Al)
Last Edited by big al on Oct 30, 2005 10:28 AM
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motherlodelofts
418 posts
Oct 29, 2005
5:21 PM
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Tony I think that Al is an excellent choice , if he ever feels a need to have someones fingers broke I would be happy to assist him.
Scott
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nicksiders
262 posts
Oct 29, 2005
8:34 PM
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Be careful Scott, it may be your fingers that Big Al wants broke.............LOL
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Double D
56 posts
Oct 29, 2005
8:34 PM
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Welcome Allen!
I appreciate your willingness to share what you have for the learning of others, especially your time. I for one, as do many others, really appreciate this site and the chance to learn. It has been invaluable.
Darin
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big al
149 posts
Oct 30, 2005
12:16 AM
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Tony,
Thank you for this opportunity. I consider it an honor and a privilege.
Scott, Nick and Darin your thoughts and support are very appreciated.
Thanks guys.
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
539 posts
Oct 30, 2005
3:10 AM
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Hey Big Al.I know you will do a great job.Thanks for giving up your time to a Great Site.David
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big al
151 posts
Oct 30, 2005
10:27 AM
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David,
Thanks brother.
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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tapp
33 posts
Oct 31, 2005
10:24 PM
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Thanks Big AL for your time Doing this. This site is a great plce to learn. What used to take a man a lifetime.Is only a few CLICKS away. So agin thanks Tony-Big AlL for everything!!!!!
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Tapp
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big al
160 posts
Nov 01, 2005
6:43 PM
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Hey Tapp
Thanks for the support!
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Ballrollers
132 posts
Nov 02, 2005
8:35 AM
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Al, I have noticed your middle-of-the-road posture and your "peacemaker" qualities in your posts, so I think you have great potential. Just remember, it's a thin line between moderating verbal abuse and censorship. Many have lots to offer; some just don't know how to say it with repect. Feel free to contact me any time. Good luck. YITS Cliff
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big al
164 posts
Nov 02, 2005
11:53 AM
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Cliff,
Did you understand the post Tony and I left?
I believe everything you just commented on was covered.
If you have any concerns please contact me and we'll talk off line.
nohednt@yahoo.com----------
See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
Last Edited by big al on Nov 02, 2005 12:04 PM
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Shaun
182 posts
Nov 02, 2005
12:24 PM
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Hi, Al. A warm handshake to you from across the other side of the Atlantic. If I had one comment to make it would be that the roller hobby/sport is truly international, but sometimes the roller forums are so dominated by what's going on in the US that other countries just don't get involved. I would love to hear about, for example, what the South Africans and the Australians are up to. Then, there's many European countries who are also mad keen on rollers, who also speak good English and who could easily communicate. But, they don't contribute.
The irony is that of late there's been heated discussions about world cup issues, yet if the rest of the world were to look in, they would see that it's actually only America's internal wrangle over the world cup. I'm sure everyone would like to encourage other roller people from around the world to partake in discussions. Perhaps a warm and open invitation is called for.
Al, as for suggestions that with your interventions you risk falling on the wrong side of good, honest debate and censorshop, I already feel that you've a keen knack for striking the right balance; you've sensed that some subjects are not for the greater good of the roller community, at large, and would perhaps be best pursued elsewhere.
Keep up the good work.
Shaun
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Ballrollers
133 posts
Nov 02, 2005
3:17 PM
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Gees, Al. Didn't mean to tick you off already! LOL I re-read Tony's post. Didn't see anything about censorship. I was just makin' conversation. Let's try again......Welcome, Al! I look forward to working with you! (How's that?) LOL YITS Cliff
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big al
165 posts
Nov 02, 2005
3:44 PM
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Cliff,
Thanks much for the support. :-) :-)
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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big al
166 posts
Nov 02, 2005
3:56 PM
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Hey Shaun,
Thanks man!
You know, your point regarding this as an international hobby is very well taken! Everyone from all over the world is certainly welcome to visit and conversate here! I'd love to here how everybody else is doing their thing.
South Africa has been very competitive!
I would just again encourage everyone visiting the site from near or far to keep the topics away from the political arena.
Does anyone know any of the South African Rollermen or women? Shaun do any of your roller friends there visit or post here?
Thanks again man.----------
See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Shaun
183 posts
Nov 03, 2005
8:01 AM
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Al, from what I've read, there's me and just a few others from the UK. There's Riann from South Africa and, that's all I'm aware of. If there's anyone else out there, they're keeping quiet.
I won't be thanked for saying this but UK guys avoid these forums; they just don't feel part of it, as they're so US driven. The continuous squabbles, like colour flying/breeding, which crop up quite regularly, then go around in circles, together with the very vocal internal political wrangles, are a big turn off.
I've taken the view, however, that if it weren't for the US guys getting off their arses and contributing to these forums, there wouldn't be such a worthwhile on-line community. So, for the meantime, at least, you're stuck with me!
Cheers.
Shaun
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Ballrollers
136 posts
Nov 03, 2005
8:03 AM
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Al, Just playing devil's advocate, here, but what's wrong with discussing the politics of rollers on this site? Granted, it is of no interest to some, but it is of extreme interest to many. I received a number of private e-mails supporting the World Cup thread and discussion. Sure it will be heated at times, but the timid or disinterested simply do not have to visit the thread. Noone is forcing anyone to read anything they do not want to read. The activities of the organizations that represent the flyers directly affects the competitions so all are affected in some way, except for the backyard flyers. There is so little communication available about what is really happening in the NBRC and the World Cup, except what goes on in private conversations in backyards under kits of rollers, or in private telephone and e-mail conversations. Communication is a good thing and I believe keeping everyone informed has the potential for much greater good than harm. Maybe I am naiive and nobody really cares. I'd like to hear how others feel. YITS Cliff
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Shaun
184 posts
Nov 03, 2005
9:29 AM
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Cliff, you make a valid point about people not having to read the posts that either don't interest them or they perhaps have some aversion to. The problem is that if someone looks at the original topic headline, or indeed the initial posts which follow it, they will see that some go off at a tangent and can end up bearing little relation to the original post. That's perfectly understandable, given the dynamics of forums such as this. However, when this does happen - especially if the dialogue is back and forth between only a few guys, it would be useful if the new thread could be re-started under a different, more specific, heading.
There's also the other angle whereby it's not quite as easy as you suggest, to avoid topics which aren't of interest. Sometimes, the topic headline isn't, in itself, sufficient to determine this; indeed, you have to read a few of the questions and answers to gain an understanding of what it's about.
For example, a post which you recently started, Cliff, was entitled 'World cup competition'. Now, that could have been of interest to any roller flyer around the world, but the discussion was actually much narrower; for want of a better expression, it was US internal roller politics. Of course, you have a legitimate desire to debate this type of issue but, say, I wished to do the same from the UK. I imagine you guys might read the first couple of posts, then get bored. Yet, everyone looking in would have seen the 'World cup competition' headline and felt it had something to offer on a wider scale.
I'm not sure what the answer is here - perhaps the posts could be broken down into different categories, rather than everything being lumped together.
Just observations, really. Sorry to waffle (that's an English expression).
Shaun
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
547 posts
Nov 03, 2005
9:32 AM
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Cliff. I have to agree with you on this.Being New to Competition this year this Forum and others have been my main source in learning about competition.And all I have concentrated on so far is the NBRC Fall Fly.I have been asked several times already about competing in the World cup this Spring.I for one have heard alot of bad about things that is going on and I have been trying to study the rules from the W/C Website but I must say that it leaves a lot of unanswered questions.It has been said to take it private but WHO do you take it private with.I am sure that alot of the negative things I have heard go way back and probably most have already been taken care of.I was told by a very wise man that if I flew to just put up the best kit I had and let the Judge sort out the rules.LOL. It all comes down to his way of judging anyway don't it? But I see no problem with dicussing these things open as long as everyone can keep it cool and keep it to questions and answers and nothing personal.How else will all the negatives that are being spread around the World be brought out into the open either Valid or just plain Rumor unless these things are talked about openly? My opinion.David
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Alan Bliven
287 posts
Nov 03, 2005
9:54 AM
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I don't mind politics, heated debates etc... But when this public forum degrades itself by allowing the profanity I have seen in here (like the other one allowed) that is when it makes a fatal mistake.
Big Al, I hope you have the backbone to stand against it and make this forum a family forum.
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Alan
Last Edited by Alan Bliven on Nov 03, 2005 9:55 AM
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Ballrollers
138 posts
Nov 03, 2005
10:03 AM
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Shaun,
My interest in the WC thread was international in scope, however I was only able to speak from the facts I had about the US regions that were not represented (which, by the way, has now expanded to three, as various RDs keep checking in). I would love to have seen you investigate whether your RD was notified of the session, had his vote counted, viewed his responsibilities as representing his own interests or that of the flyers he represents, etc. (In other words, are all RDs educated by the WC as to their responsibilities in any way?) Same goes for South Africa and Australia. I tried to bring up the international concerns, if you recall,held by England and South Africa, but got no support or information from any of the flyers in those countries, so it died. So any conversation that is started about any topic is bound to take on the complexion of the respondents. Had South Africans posted about their concerns, it might have taken on a more narrow scope in their direction. Make sense?
David, I hope that someday I can take on your eternal optimism that guys posting on certain subjects, about which they disagree, will keep their cool! But you know, as well as I, that when there are disagreements or challenges, some will respond in an effort to intimidate rather than answer respectfully. That's where Al will come in if it gets out of hand. Hopefully he and Tony will discuss this and let us know how they feel. YITS Cliff
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Velo99
137 posts
Nov 03, 2005
1:08 PM
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Dave,
On the competetion angle. I congratulate you once again your great performance. I for one think from time to time the focus shifts from the birds to organizational ego and loyalties. I know it is a huge undertaking to keep these organizations moving forward. Personally I will just put up a kit and let God take over. Screw a bunch of political BS. It`s about the birds man, without them this is non existent.
I`m just little in comparison to the overall scheme.
YITS
v99
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big al
169 posts
Nov 03, 2005
6:46 PM
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Hi Alan,
No worries. :-)
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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knaylor
17 posts
Nov 03, 2005
8:02 PM
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Scott, stop beating around the bush. Answer the questions directly. I also asked Cliff for the exact names of the RDs and their region and got no answer. You know if they are not on the comittee group I can send them and invite. My email is knaylor35@yahoo.com (hint hint Cliff) Kevin
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
548 posts
Nov 04, 2005
2:57 AM
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Scott.You said:Dave what bad things have you heard ? oh yea that very wise old man told you hmmmmm gee I wonder who that could be ? yes Dave many of us know who it is as you aren't the first that little group has tried to turn away from this great fly , I know the story and I have no respect for such whiners
See Scott how you jump at conclusions.The First part of your post is why things get heated in discussions like this.You took something out of context and made it personal.Honestly I didn,t even know there was a Group trying to turn people away from the W/C/ Fly.For your information that very wise OLD man you speak about I never said he was OLD.And he is from your part of the world.And what he said was a very good point.Why sweat the small stuff when I need to concentrate on my birds and let the Judge learn what he is suppose to do.If in Fact they even do that.Any questions I have had so far have just been simple questions.I am New at this.Is the Politics that bad in the W/C Fly?
When I pop down 35.00 of my money to fly a kit in Competition I like to know what I am doing.I don,t know how these committees work but I don,t see why everything needs to be such a secret.I would think that all the committee would do is vote on what the flyers want if it warrants a need to vote.And I understand that the RD's should be speaking to the committee for their own flyers.
Does this committee have a Leader? You say talk to sombody that don,t speak negative about the W/C? Well I am all ears.Somebody talk to me without going off on some OLD history about the W/C.You want more backyard flyers to compete? Show them that they are part of the Loop and not just another contestant to make the numbers look good.Or is it the other way around the less that competes the better chances some have of winning? David
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J_Star
100 posts
Nov 04, 2005
5:17 AM
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Allan, I like your style of officiating. It is the way things are said that make others agitated. I hope that your time will not be spent on officiating, but instead contributing to the discussions.
Scott, you’re explanation to the RDs involvement is sufficient enough. Looks like enhancing the communication grounds will be the most appropriate thing to make the W/C even stronger than it is. Remember that you can not stop rumors no matter how efficient things are. No one here, at least, wants to put down any of the flys we cherish. Again, thanks for the heads up on the upcoming vote info.
Cliff, there is no need to go any further with this. Your points are well taken in regard to the communication part and I am sure that Scott and the others will do their best to not let this falter. I believe that the problem is of how you formulated your initial posts, but not with the content. You are an eloquent writer, and I enjoy reading your posts and articles but you have done a horrible job formulating the questions in your post which in turn sounded like and attack and accusations. It is a lesson learned, and hopefully that when we are approaching a controversial topic or political in nature that we can spend the extra effort formulating our post to make it sound politically correct and not to be perceived in a way offending. It is how we chose to say things that can spark a flare and our attentive to this matter would be appreciated by the rest of the viewing body on this site.
Tony and Allen, we should be able to discuss roller issues even the most controversial and the political natured ones. We can show the rest of the viewing world that we can discuss political issues and keep the peace, respect that we have to one another and learn from our discussions. This is my take, what is yours?
Jay
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motherlodelofts
436 posts
Nov 04, 2005
6:05 AM
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Dave if I was wrong I stand corrected !!
Dave there are no secrets and that is why there is a committeee list so that it is all above board and things aren't done in the shadows , if you have any questions about the rules, ask away, there are a few here that fly that fly.
Of coarse there is a leader (the R/C) he has no vote except to break ties, his main purpose is to summit to us what come's before him and to scedule the judge and the logistics of the fly.
Dave R/D serves the pupose of making sure that the fly goes smooth within our own regions as far as the regional fly and the finals fly and we make sure that the judges are taken care of as far as food,housing and having him where he is supposed to be when he needs to be there, from airports to peoples backyards.
Our jobs are split between the wants of the flyers and the good of the W/C , as for the flyers all we can do is get feedback from the main flyers and pass info to our lads , in my region there is no one complaining about anything that I am aware of , and when there is it consists of one or two that seem to complain about anything and everything .
Dave what is done and how the regions voted on particular issues are put into print in the W/C bulliten which is mailed out to the flier's of that year, do backyard flyers have a say in anything at all ? no of coarse not , why would they ? , nor do they have a say in anything that revolves around NBRC fly issue's .
Dave our job is not to beg people to fly , they either want to fly or they don't.
And yes Dave , the rules on the W/C site are the current rules and have been so for the past two seasons , there have been no changes.
As for judges,some are good, some are so so and somearentvery good at all, every year is a new fly and a new judge, also I have yet to se a fly whether it be regional or finals where everyone likes the way a judge judges.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Nov 04, 2005 8:24 AM
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motherlodelofts
437 posts
Nov 04, 2005
6:17 AM
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Jay I am not sure what else could be done unless the R/C hired a secretary to try and figure who's who , even then not all regions would be there as some don't even know who their RDs are from year to year, he can only spend so much time on this stuff and I know for a fact that he was activly working on it.
like I said before this is far from a full time job for any of us.
Once you have as many as possible you take care of the issues at hand.
Scott
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Ballrollers
140 posts
Nov 04, 2005
6:27 AM
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Kevin, We have validated that WC Central Region, WC Mountain Region, and WC Southeast Region were not represented in any of the votes. My RD is Wendell Carter (jcarte2@bellsouth.net) who replaced Don Simpson after the 05 World Cup was completed. I understand that it was your responsiblity to see the RDs were sent invitations to join the WC committee discussion group (please correct me if I am wrong) so I didn't figure you needed me to tell you who my RD is. Our concern must focus on the fact that nobody seemed to care that many regions were not aware that the WC is meeting to conduct business without their representatives being included. I appreciate your efforts to try to resolve things, even though it is after the fact with the fly-rule change and all. And we must ask how this can be prevented in the future. YITS Cliff
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Ballrollers
141 posts
Nov 04, 2005
9:38 AM
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Scott,
To bring you up to speed, I was not referring to Don Simpson, but Wendell Carter who replaced Don, as WC Southeast Region RD after this year's WC. My conversations include flyers from all over the country, not just my region, so please do not cast a negative light on "the south". Let me also correct your assumption. This discussion has, in no way, "ruined it" for me with regard to the World Cup comps. It would only ruin it for me if no attempts were made to correct the problems. I believe that every RD and each man that donates his time, money and effort to seeing the WC is conducted as a premeir fly is doing the best job he can. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. Let's get that straight. Any questions on that, so far?
What problems, you ask? I see an information system outlined in the WC Fly Rules/constitution, that has shortcomings and is not working as planned, and could easily be improved so all RDs would be included...always. I see fly rule changes made, where relatively few flyers were involved and where whole regions were left out of the process. I see Committee posts where RDs were allowed to disrespect other members who disagreed with them. I see many Flyers who want their opinions heard.
Kevin, I see on the WC website where each region has their LADs listed. If the WC Committee did not hear from a region's RD, why are the LADs not contacted? For example, I can tell you of a region where the RD sold his birds and moved. The region knew the WC fly was over for 2005, and the next was not to be held until spring 2006, so they did not repost a new RD to take office until 2006 thinking all was ok. This region was not notified there was a WC committee called for 2005. This problen could have easily been solved had the WC GC or the WC committee moderator contacted any of the LADs listed in that region. This situation is not any one individual's fault.There is no blame to place on anyone. But a system could be put in place that wouold confirm every region is accounted for before a vote is taken on such important matters as the fly rules that affect us all.
This is not a negative post about the WC fly. I am concerned about the obviously ineffective way that RDs are contacted. Sure, I see problems. Let's see if we can fix the problems. The WC cannot have a democratic administrative process if regions do not understand how the process works and RDs do not know what their responsibilities are. This is not a personal attack on anyone. This is not a political post. This is an observation with questions that is directed towards anyone that has an opinion on the topic. Instead of playing attack and defend, or shooting the messenger, a simple response of, "Thanks for the information, Cliff. We'll look into it and, if you are right, we'll take the necessary steps to correct the problems." It's really that simple. YITS Cliff
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Shaun
185 posts
Nov 04, 2005
10:58 AM
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Cliff, this particular post announced Al's welcome to the forum as guest moderator, along with the pretty clear title "Guest Moderator". However, after a few welcoming posts, it has since gone off at a tangent to become embroiled in much internal wrangling, which you're also covering in parallel under your "World Cup Competition" post.
Al voiced a valid opinion that many don't wish to read threads of this kind and that such political matter should be dealt with elsewhere. You then suggested that readers could choose whether or not to read such posts. But, how can they, when the subject title bears little relation to the actual posts?
If you feel the need to continue this particular topic, please couldn't you start a completely new post and make it abundantly clear from the title as to what it's about? Those of us who wish to avoid it can then do so.
Thank you.
Shaun
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
384 posts
Nov 04, 2005
11:12 AM
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Hello, without addressing all the issues already discussed, if some of you would like to really have a private message board to hash some of this out, I can arrange that in about 10 minutes time.
Call me at 1-800-498-2043 to arrange it. Otherwise, lets put an end now to discussing what others are doing or not doing on this thread.
No further comments are needed. Call me to pursue it.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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big al
172 posts
Nov 04, 2005
2:17 PM
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Jay,
Thanks for the support.
Jay the only problem we have is when it starts to get personal. That is unacceptable because we are all guests here on this list, and that's the key word..."Guests" Everyone should consider that. No guest should be subjected to listen to that type of dialogue because that's not what they came for.
Thanks again Jay. :-)
Shaun,
Excellent observation and post.
Tony,
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
Last Edited by big al on Nov 04, 2005 6:41 PM
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knaylor
19 posts
Nov 04, 2005
7:26 PM
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Cliff, our current rd list shows:
Central Region-John Smeltzer( I did send him and invite)
Mountain Region-Jason Brown( I did send him an invite)
Southeast Region- Don Sutton (we were never notified of an RD change)
It is the RDs responibility to notify us of any RD change. The GC does ask once a year of any changes and of any LAD changes. For this to run smoothly the RDs need to work with us.Some RDs choose not to vote at all. I also know that the last vote was not a close vote at all so the three regions that did not get to vote wold not have have changed the outcome. Why didn't the RDs call Ron or myself? Seems to me if they are complaining to other people they could have let us know just as easy? Not sure what else you want us to do????? Kevin
Last Edited by knaylor on Nov 04, 2005 7:31 PM
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Ballrollers
151 posts
Nov 07, 2005
4:58 PM
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Kevin,
Central region's RD is currently Ferrell Bussing.
Mountain region's RD is Jason Brown.
Southeast region's RD is Wendall Carter.
Don Sutton actually lives and flies in the great state of Texas.
To be honest, it's just difficult for me to believe that I have to be the one to tell you guys on the committee who your RDs are!!It's amazing that the WC operates as well as it does! You said that the vote of these three regions wouldn't have mattered, anyway. But let me ask you this. Would it have mattered that few of the LADs or flyers knew that fly rules changes were being addressed during the first WC comittee? Would it have mattered that many WC flyers that had strong opinions concerning the time-in fly rule change were never heard? Not by their LAD, and not by their RD? Would it have mattered if the WC flyers each had a vote? Might the time-in rule then, in reality, have failed? Does it matter that many RDs don't have a clue what their flyer's opinions are? Does it matter that many RDs had to be called for their vote because they did not know the WC comittee was in session? Does it matter that, unlike many of the flyers, some of the RDs did not understand why this time-in rule is a poor choice? Hey, I'm just asking questions, here! Sorry Shaun. YOu made a good point about spreading out this issue over too many threads. But I wanted to answer Kevin. Maybe Tony can move these posts under the correct heading. YITS Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Nov 07, 2005 5:02 PM
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knaylor
24 posts
Nov 07, 2005
6:03 PM
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Cliff, once again it is the RD's responibility to notify the GC of any changes.It is amazing that you are telling us about the changes and not the RDs. Each paying flyier has the right and should contact their LAD or RD and voice their opinion. Each RD should go by that. It is a simple as that. Each flyier has a voice that can be heard, but through the proper channels. Now my question for you is: "with your large knowledge of flying in the W/C what is wrong with the time in rule???" Kevin
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
385 posts
Nov 07, 2005
7:16 PM
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Hello All, it is time Big Al and I put this thread to rest. The World Cup organization and all its volunteers are to be commended and congratulated for working so long and hard to do what is often a thankless job.
This “site” is in awe of the job they do year in and year out to promote the sport, often at personal expense. Like any large endeavor with so much to coordinate, duties and tasks are going to fall through the cracks.
If I saw problems with something they were doing and I had an interest in it, I would give them a lot of slack and ask myself what I could do to help or at least offer suggestions for improvement through the proper channels.
Airing out what we don’t like about it in forums like this do not serve any useful purpose but perhaps embarrass volunteers who have good intentions or toward self-aggrandizement. Either one will not be allowed on these pages.
Ask yourself, “Am I part of the solution, or am I a part of the problem”?
Some posts in this thread will be edited or removed as we deem it serves the purposes of promoting the roller hobby.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by rollerpigeon on Nov 07, 2005 8:16 PM
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upcd
62 posts
Nov 07, 2005
11:46 PM
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Congratulation on your new post.
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
388 posts
Nov 08, 2005
8:21 AM
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Thanks upcd. This is a great note in which to take a pause to collect ourselves.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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