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merced guy
8 posts
Nov 01, 2005
12:13 PM
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Hello all, I was just poundering on this topic for a while and many things have come to mind from what i have experience. with two years under my belt in rollers, I can't seem to mix and match a conclusion about why some rollers, like all species of organisms, perform differently than others becasue of the quality of meat in the breast area. Now "type" "control", or "family" (ie. short, long keel, short cast long cast) is a different subject. what I am referring to is the amount of meat and the firmness of the muscle in that area and the whole pigeon when you hold it. I mean some rollers just feels lively in the hand where as others are so dead when in the hand. From what I have observe in the hand and the stregnth or the bird's performance in the air there seems to be a correlation. I wonder is this is so. A real example, I have two birds that are brothers, they both roll with good style and velocity, similar depth, similar experience, similar age,just different muscle quality or feel of the bird. It always seems that the bird that dont have good meat seem to struggle more on the snap in the break and the snap on the exit in the end. Ive been a roosterman for 15 years and have done very sucessful with my breeding and the performance that comes out of it. I would be able to answer my own question if it was regarding roosters, but since this is regarding rollers, plese shed some light on this topic.
and my second question is do you veterans, select birds for that also even if the roll is similar.
thanks
thong
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Richard A.
75 posts
Nov 06, 2005
7:10 PM
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For the last 30+ years of breeding rollers, I have always maintained good body muscle in my birds I always felt that it would add to the velocity and stopping power. I consider this to be so very important in developing a good stock. I still feel the same way today. I dont inbreed, so it has always been easy for me to do maintain. I personally do think that you are on the right track. Listen to all, but separate the logical from the fantasy. You will do well.
Richard A.
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big al
185 posts
Nov 06, 2005
7:42 PM
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Hi Merced Guy,
I've seen and experienced a little of what you're speaking of. As simple as it may sound, some birds even nest mates in a kit eat at a different consumption rate, and as a result one will not get as much as the other.
Also, if you're feeding a grain mix, one bird may be eating the wheat or milo only, while the other bird is consuming the peas, milo, corn, safflower, vetch and whatever else you may have in that mix, it can result in one bird appearing and probably being healthier than the other. If both of these birds are performing at the same level, the diet or lack of will have an effect and the difference will be noticeable, especially if they're nest mates.
See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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J_Star
102 posts
Nov 07, 2005
5:21 AM
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I truely beleive the mutabolism of each bird is deifferent. That is why some might appear to be healthier than the other. Just like us humans, some burns calaries quicker and better than others while some will not use it as energy source and become fat.
How to fix that!! Put your bird that you think is lacking on high protein diet for a while and provide some substances that containes allot of nutrients and minerals. Best of luck…
Jay
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merced guy
10 posts
Nov 07, 2005
12:07 PM
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Richard A,
thaks for the advice, it makes sense and I will let that be a factor when choosing breeders. little comments like yours goes a long way for new folks in the hobby.
Big Al,
I agree with you also, so what I might try next is feed different grains one at a time so each bird gets a fair share of the mix.
in the sport,
thong
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