George Ruiz
73 posts
Nov 08, 2005
9:04 AM
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What if any are your personel views on competing in roller fly's at all levels (club,Fall Fly,World Cup,)
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
241 posts
Nov 08, 2005
9:05 AM
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It is my life's blood. I am a competitor, therefore I want only to compete.
Brian.
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nicksiders
281 posts
Nov 08, 2005
9:16 AM
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Competition is what will promote the maintaining of the breed as a performer. People like Kenny and Scott and others like them are necessary to keep the fires lit in protecting this resourse from being bastarized. I hope they do not allow the fire to go out and I want them to be "loud". Keeps me focussed.
Thank you Kenny; thank you Scott; and anyone else that shares thier intensity.
I am going to compete in 2006 so I can gain some credence with you guys......LOL
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birdman
78 posts
Nov 08, 2005
10:03 AM
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George, thanks for getting on to another topic!
Competition, whether in the work place, the schoolyard, or in our own backyards, is the only way to move forward. Competition makes us aware of our strengths and weaknesses, and also creates a drive to do better.
Two thumbs up for competition!
Russ
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dave
32 posts
Nov 08, 2005
10:09 AM
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I will try to fly in all types of competition be it local, club, or the major flies. Heck, I even go watch another club fly that I don't even belong to. I want to see what my competitors are doing. When I first got into the rollers I thought I had pretty good birds until I saw some real rollers. I then improved by stock and again thought I had good rollers until my first competition (this fall fly) and found out that I still have a long ways to go. I like tough judges and competition as it drives me to do better. Without competition we stay stagnant and there is no motivation to do better. Hopefully in a couple of years I can give Scott and Joe better comp, with their own birds lol.
Last Edited by dave on Nov 08, 2005 10:13 AM
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Alan Bliven
289 posts
Nov 08, 2005
11:05 AM
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Seems to be too much of a "crap shoot" and not so much skill of breeding and training as it should be. I'm not saying there's a better answer but for instance, on the basketball court if I train the right way and have better skills than my competition, I'll be the winner. But in Roller Flies I could be the best trainer in the world that year with the best birds and be DQ'd in the first round for some little thing. I don't believe it always shows the best. Over the years, yes, but not that particular year.
Another thing, it has certain fly rules that one is forced to conform his whole operation around. Suppose I like a different type of performance than the fly rules dictate? I'll end up as a back yard flyer. Not that the fly rules should be changed or should more flexible but if I liked a different type of performance, I may not be interested in competition.
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Alan
Last Edited by Alan Bliven on Nov 08, 2005 11:22 AM
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Alan Bliven
290 posts
Nov 08, 2005
11:18 AM
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BTW... William Pensom believed in individual bird competitions.
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Alan
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merced guy
11 posts
Nov 08, 2005
11:30 AM
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great topic,
I believe competion brings out the best in anyone who invovles themselves in it whether be their breeding techniques, conditioning, feeding, family of birds, and etc. In short, I'm saying it is a way of expressing ourlseves through our roller. I mean the birds speaks for it self and that will correlate with their owner.
Im always a competion centerred person and will look forward to fly for the first time in 2006, whether be wc or fall fly or local.
in the sport thong
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
244 posts
Nov 08, 2005
11:32 AM
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Alan, then Pensom and I would definitely have not gotten along very well..lol.
If you have the best kit in the world and they DQ, they are not the best kit and you are not the best manager. That is the way it works. A good manager insures his team will not DQ or suffer a low score because of out birds. A good team is a good team, but the best is the best. Sure luck can play a role in it. If you wake up on the morning you are to fly in the finals and it is a hurricane outside, yep that sucks, but so does life. Does it mean it will happen the next time you fly? Nope. Those who succeed in any competition fight, chew, claw and dig their way through the adversities while keeping the bright light of the goal clearly in focus. I often wonder why it is that few of the people who always make excuses for their performance or the competitions ever make it to the top. That is evidence in itself.
In simple terms, the groundwork lies before you. The rules are in place. If a person is interested, he can step up to the doorway and commit to play the game the way this game is made to be played. This game is demanding. This game can bring out the most incredible intensities in actions and personalities. This game is fun. The question is always the same. Either you want to play this game or you don't. Are you game?
Brian.
Last Edited by MCCORMICKLOFTS on Nov 08, 2005 11:35 AM
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
556 posts
Nov 08, 2005
12:31 PM
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Brian. You said:This game is demanding. This game can bring out the most incredible intensities in actions and personalities. This game is fun.
You forgot to mention High Blood pressure. The Doc is still trying to get my Blood Pressure back to normal.LOL. David
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big al
195 posts
Nov 08, 2005
5:18 PM
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If you plan on competing...
I think going to competions can enhance the level of expectation you have for your birds. You have to come out of your yard to see the "Heat" others are bringing to the table, otherwise you'll never know how good your birds truly are.
I had a friend that used to rave about a Martial Arts Instructor I introduced him to. My friend would go on and on about the school, the skill level of the students, the philosophy of the style, said the instructor Benji was the best around etc... Although Benji (Instructor) was dynamic and we trained together for some ten years when I first started in the early days, he wasn't the best I've seen because I've seen soooooo many! My friend however had never been exposed to self defense except from what he saw in old Bruce Lee movies and the folks I exposed him to!! LOL! When he started to compete on a national level some years later his eyes were opened to a whole new world of talent and intensity!
I look forward to competing and meeting some of you guys on this list in "06" We should have a fun year.----------
See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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Velo99
143 posts
Nov 08, 2005
6:09 PM
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Ok Guys.
I do believe that each of us should compete at least once. To know the feeling of someone actually judging you kit of birds to a STANDARD. As backyard flyers we would never know if we are actually adhering to the standard and actually advancing the breed. If you just wanna fly a few birds,fine,by all means fly. Please consider flying at least once. My time is coming,hopefully next season . I know my birds are not up to standard,but I enjoy flying them just the same.
yits V99
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Dave Szab
2 posts
Nov 08, 2005
6:34 PM
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Competition pushes us to improve as handlers and breeders, which is in the best interest for the improvement of the breed. Another important part of participating in flying competitions is what you learn by getting out of your own backyard and seeing what other guys are flying. This is an important piece of the puzzle that non-competitors overlook. You need to get out and see other top flyers whenever you can. Travel around on the competitons, go see regional winners fly in their finals fly, keep an open mind and act like a sponge.....soak it all in. Then apply it in your backyard and you can't help but to improve your birds and your abilities as a handler. I can guarantee one other thing....you will have a blast spending time with the other flyers and doing what we all enjoy, watching these aerial acrobats doing their thing!
Dave Szabatura
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Alan Bliven
291 posts
Nov 09, 2005
4:36 PM
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>>Alan, then Pensom and I would definitely have not gotten along very well..lol. <<
He didn't like the rules at the time because they were focused more on turns and that punished deep birds. He said even if the turns were in inches, they were rewarded the same points as a deep turn. That's what turned him off
But the rules have changed since then and maybe his opinion would have changed as well.
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Alan
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LONGS ROLLER LOFT
20 posts
Nov 10, 2005
6:28 PM
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The competition I like the best. Is between my mentor and sometimes tormentor Rick Dillehay.he is the one that got me started in rollers. He still tells me (you will never master the master.) But each year I get a little closer.If I beat him in the World Cup this year I will call him 365 times before the next World Cup and remind him whose the master is now. Well maybe 364 times I won't remind him Christmas day.
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yours in the sport Rick
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Velo99
157 posts
Nov 11, 2005
7:41 PM
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I just hope I don`t DQ. I don`t feel I could win a two kit fly but I have a few birds that are pretty good. :-)
V99
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