big al
198 posts
Nov 09, 2005
11:29 PM
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Hi guys,
When I'm training a kit, many people are suprised at the large list of things I'm keying in on.
Besides the obvious, kitting, breaking together, flight pattern and flight time. What are some of the things you are doing other than the above mentioned during your training to develop a nice comp team?
Let's say the team consists of 5 - 6 month old youngsters.
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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motherlodelofts
461 posts
Nov 10, 2005
12:59 AM
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Al all of the above and more importantly "time" , with my birds , birds that age generally have too much roll and working well as a team is pretty much non exsistant.
Once they mature and settle down then they need time to develope into a team , and this is done by them learning thier place in the team and thier team mates places , when this happens a chemistry between them starts to develope.
All of this takes "time"
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Nov 10, 2005 1:06 AM
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fhtfire
249 posts
Nov 10, 2005
7:27 AM
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I look at the mentioned above...as well as the overall kit in general. I keep an eye on the trigger birds that make the kit go! I also keep an eye out for the problem birds....the Eddie Haskel bird. For example, The one that will take the inside and turn the kit in the same direction or during a break... then move to the middle and then back to the side. I also try and make a mental note on which birds during the break are not breaking or they are half way breaking...you know the birds that on a nice big break...they act like they were caught off guard and it is like a late half way roll. I try and make sure those birds do not make a habit of it. Other then that...you want to birds that work as a "team"
rock and ROLL
Paul Fullerton
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nicksiders
289 posts
Nov 10, 2005
10:39 AM
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I also look for the bird(s) that trail behind and the one(s) who come down early. Some birds are just inherently weak flyers no matter how you muscle them up. They will always be wussie; they are culls.
Birds that young I am just looking for those who want to kit and fly real close.......they are too young to be leaders or trigger birds.
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merced guy
14 posts
Nov 10, 2005
11:58 AM
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nice info guys,
if we are talking about a developing kit of birds and because the birds are not fully developed, I would do all of the above too and watch for birds that are almost finished developing their roll and make sure it has a back snap control, meaning clean break, hold the position, and clean exict. I would also keep an eye out for stiff birds that don't wanna get with the program.
in the sport
thong
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big al
200 posts
Nov 10, 2005
9:30 PM
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Guys!
Nice observations!!
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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maxspin
10 posts
Nov 11, 2005
8:42 AM
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Al,
don't keep us all in suspense. What is your long list.
Keith
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big al
202 posts
Nov 11, 2005
1:57 PM
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Hey Max,
I like to train in stages only because it's easier for me to concentrate! LOL! i GUESS i'M GETTING OLD MAN. :-)
I'll use an example for young birds...
The first stage:
Is to get all the birds eating enough, no weak birds.
Get them in the air and trapping to my call.
I like them kitting in about 2 no more than 3 weeks if they've been flying everyday.
Once the birds are kitting I adjust the feed so they'll fly about 45 minutes.
Once I know my feed is being done correctly I start looking for bad habits in individual birds. (Landing early, flying on one wing, lagging behind, flying away from the kit)
These birds usually get bumped back to another kit box to see if they need more time to develop.
Second stage:
The birds are starting to begin coming in to the roll so I document the time frame in my records.
I sometimes fly twice a day.
I watch for the bird who's turning my kit on the breaks.
(A bird that does this when the others are trying to set up disrupts this particular development stage for the team). I remove them.
I don't too much bother the one that flies a little above the kit just yet, but I pull anything that turns and flies away from the team if it continues for more than a couple weeks.
I keep a close eye on the birds that only roll from the back of the team as they are put into a team made up of themselves. :-) It works! Rod Fomby told me about that one!
I start to I.D. the birds that fly to the front of the team to set-up and break. (Potential trigger birds)
I I.D. the birds that resist the roll until the team goes.
( Good team bird)
This is also where I'm feeding to keep them in the habit of staying at a certain height.
I also watch to see when they fly best...evening, morning etc... I fly them a little extra in the time slot they don't fly as well in. I do this in case I pull that time slot on comp day.
Third stage:
I start really watching the overall kit chemistry.
I start really watching the roll types, speed and depth.
I cut back on the days I fly to about 4 days a week.
I watch the cock birds to see if they're becoming too cocky in the box during the spring and feed them a little less so they're sex appeal won't bring down any hens early to froth around ON THE LOFT OR ROOF. LOL!
I "Arrange a meeting" for chronic bumpers and rolldowns.
This is where I really concentrate on toying with the feed to get to really know kit response. (It's easier now that the birds are in to the roll more, I know what makes them tick).
I usually get a few sets of eyes from a few guys I trust to critique the kit performance.
Then I just hope for the best and try to enjoy man! :-)
I actually have a list I used to go by! LOL!
I'm sure there are a few items on there that I left out here. :-)
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
Last Edited by big al on Nov 11, 2005 1:59 PM
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Velo99
151 posts
Nov 11, 2005
4:35 PM
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Hey Al,
I have a short list. FDK:Frequency, depth and kitting.Once a month I prep like I am getting ready for a fly. Then I grade them on the FDK scale 0-10 on each category. All but three of my kit are 5-6 months. I know I am a bit behind in the roll but they are getting better. The mechanics are there. Kitting tight,nice altitude and a sweet figure eight fly pattern. The roll is off and on, I experiment with the feed and supplements. I started the wormer, it is about time for that bi annual worming. They were a bit better today. I hope they keep progressing. The main thing is to keep the examinations to a comfortable level without going overboard, if there is such.
Nascar guys think in thousandths of seconds but should we?
YITS
V99
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big al
205 posts
Nov 11, 2005
5:35 PM
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Hi V99
No, I don't think being like the Nas Car Driver would be good for me. LOL! I've just found that those little details help me create a great performing team. They are just subtle things that can change the composition of a kit.
A lot of little things but nothing complicated about em'.
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See you in the roll!
Big Al
"High Plains Spinner Loft"
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