George Ruiz
74 posts
Nov 10, 2005
9:02 PM
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Cliff maybe you should organize your own 11 bird fly it should not be to hard to get your 11 bird fly off the ground .
It seems to me you are determined to form a World 11 bird fly .
I wish you lots of luck .
I would fly in it unlike others I enter my kits in any fly I can so I can get a better idea of my birds progress and to support the hobby of Flying real Birmingham Rollers.
George
Last Edited by George Ruiz on Nov 10, 2005 9:23 PM
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Ballrollers
171 posts
Nov 11, 2005
7:15 AM
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Thanks, George, but we already have an international organization for flying rollers. It's like adding events to the Olympics. For example, the Olympic Committee didn't cry that volley ball wasn't supposed to be played on a beach and with only two people per team (actually, some probably did!). THowever they opened their minds, looked at the popularity of the event throughout the world, evaluated the differences between the existing volleyball and the "new" event, and what it had to offer the world as well as the individuals that participate in that venue rather than the conventional venue. Ultimately took a vote to accept beach volleyball as an Olympic event. YITS Cliff
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George Ruiz
75 posts
Nov 11, 2005
12:35 PM
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yes Cliff we do have a international fly but from what I have been reading for the last two weeks is that you think that the people that donate thier time to make the big fly happen have some big conspiracy going on behind closed doors.
The best thing would be for you to organize your own fly and make your own rules and be the one who calls all the shots thus avoiding any kind of things you dislike from happening .
george
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Ballrollers
174 posts
Nov 11, 2005
4:44 PM
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George, If that is what you have gotten from my posts then I need to continue to sharpen my communication skill because those are not my words. I did not say that; others did. I said there is a lack of communication that is the root of the problem. The WC RDs did the best job they knew how, but several regions did not knkow that a committee was in session. Many RDs did not understand their responsibilities to the LADs and the LADs did not communicate with their flyers, and as a result, MOST of the WC flyers had no clue that rule changes were being discussed. This is, and I repeat, a communication problem in the system and an organizational problem with definition of responsibilities. Nothing more. But if the RDs right here on this list cannot see that and admit to it and resolve to try to correct it, then I have to keep trying to get the point accross! If I were to hear someone just say, yep, I can see that we have a problem. Let me get with the RDs and see what we can come up with to get every region in sync and at least notify either the RD or an LAD, or someeone resposible in each and every region to represent the flyers before any WC business is conducted or fly rules changed; (which, I believe is their own protocol by definition of by-laws) then I'll shut up. Is that too much to ask from a world-class organization? YITS Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Nov 11, 2005 5:09 PM
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Velo99
153 posts
Nov 11, 2005
5:11 PM
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Cliff,
I have to admire your tenacity. This is totally out of control as well as context. You seem to always be misunderstood by whoever replies to your posts. It would seem to me all you want is for someone,anyone to agree with you. If you are so intent on getting a world cup level 11 bird fly, organize it, implement it and e-mail me with a entry form and deadline. I will support such a fly by entering and flying. Attempting to modify an exisiting fly without involving the officers is a bit presumptious and would really leave a bad taste in my mouth if I were on the board, and probably make me dig in my heels in opposition to it just on principle. Let it rest for now,it is time for you to do what it seems you want to do, organize your 11 bird world fly. Keep us posted and I will support it as best I can.
MTC YITS
Kenny Hartman
(V99)
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motherlodelofts
474 posts
Nov 11, 2005
5:20 PM
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No Cliff the NBRC does not use the same rule's as the W/C , they established thier own set of rules last Spring.
The only change that to the W/C rule's were two years ago to the time-in rule.
There have been "no" other changes , the new NBRC rules were changed from the original rules including the time-in rule , thier agenda was to establish thier "own" rules , nothing wrong with that.
No Cliff there are "no" problems , it is a well organized system that is guided by a constitution and bylaws , again this is not a club and there is no membership and other than your standard hard core flyers ,flyers changes yearly so yes flyer participation is limited .
Our jobs are two fold , to look out for my fliers and to make decissions for the good of the W/C , and yes Cliff whether you like it of not the W/C is ran by the committee and the officers.
I have been region director for the past 5 years because the flyers here trust me to make the right choices and to pull this fly off smooth and without a hitch in this region.
Cliff I know who these people are that are pulling your strings without you even telling me , they are whiners and nothing else as is thier reputation.
Cliff enough said on this forum , the only advice that I can give is the same as I did in the very beginning which you have yet to heed "know all the facts and then form your "own" opinion " you threw the cart way ahead of the horse on this one.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Nov 11, 2005 5:40 PM
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Ballrollers
178 posts
Nov 11, 2005
6:22 PM
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Scott, You are truly an incredible guy. "No problems", you say! LOL For you to stare in the face of the posts from a large number of your own fellow RDs describing the wide range of WC problems, yet for you to persist in your "fantasy" point of view is remarkable. I refuse to jeopardize, any further than I have already, the men who have come forth with the truth about things, in order to attempt to educate you who do not wish to learn. Sorry, my friend, but with that degree of obstinence and that level of self-serving blindness, we'll have to work around you instead of working with you. And I regret that. Yep, Scott. You're right. Rollers with color modifiers can't perform and the WC has no communication or organizational problems!! Ya gotta love it!! Touche, my friend. I'll be back!! YITS Cliff
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Velo99
155 posts
Nov 11, 2005
6:43 PM
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I have deleted my post because after reading it, one could construe it as a personal attack. I extend my apologies.
YITS
V99
Last Edited by Velo99 on Nov 11, 2005 7:06 PM
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rotti
7 posts
Nov 11, 2005
11:52 PM
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Ok. No personal attacks intended. The rules are the rules. Pretty DAMN simple. If you play in the NFL they have rules. If you fly in the w/c or nbrc fall fly they have rules. If you don't like the rules .... Get involved and improve them. If not? Either play by the rules or go play elsewhere. If I could really say how I feel I would tell all who say it's rigged or prejudiced ..Well I can't say. So just suffice it to say that if you want to bitch and moan and do nothing to help? Please enjoy yourself. Don
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
404 posts
Nov 12, 2005
5:06 AM
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Hello All, okay, the discussion of the World Cup and NBRC rules and procedures have been thoroughly hashed out. Continuing This Line Will See Your Posts Removed.
Your Cooperation is appreciated and required. Don't make me look like the bad guy for "censoring". The topic is BORING at this point. (Now you know why some don't like to fly competitions. What a mess!)
Further matters related to this should really be directed to the respective organization and their spokeperson off this site.
Now go fly your rollers.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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motherlodelofts
480 posts
Nov 12, 2005
9:31 AM
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It is a huge success year after year that runs smooth and without a glitch, it is a far cry from a mess Tony.
To even suggest this is a real disevice to those that make this thing happen
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Nov 12, 2005 2:57 PM
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Ballrollers
186 posts
Nov 12, 2005
3:53 PM
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I think these men can read the evidence that has been provided and make their own decisions. YITS Cliff
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