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Mongrel Lofts
83 posts
Nov 20, 2005
3:32 PM
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This topic is as much to help the new roller flyer in competition, as it is to ask what is wrong with the attitude of some of the new guys who are just starting to fly Competition. Why are some new flyers not willing to listen and learn from the guys judging their kits? I mean, when a man is entering his first few competitions and he wants to teach the judge and tell him what he should be judging. Instead of listening and learning why a judge will not score a turn or bird. He is putting the arse above the head.
Guys, when a judge doesn't judge a bird in your team and you ask, Why didn't you judge that bird? If the judge gives you his honest assessment. Instead of thinking you know everything and you want the judge to score to your standard. Try listening and learning. You and your birds are being judged. This will hurt some first time flyers feelings, but your not judging. You and your birds are being judged!! If a judge tells you that a bird rolled to slow, was sloppy, or came out of the roll backwards facing the wrong direction and I will not score these faults. Learn from it and try to improve your kit. Learn what a quality judge is looking for and what he will and will not score.. Believe me guys, its to your advantage if you are going to move ahead in this sport of flying rollers.
The Judge has did his job and told you the fault in the bird or birds he was not willing to score. What kind of pride is it, that makes a man say, yea, well I think you should judge this fault anyway. Even if its not good enough to score in your opinion,, Who made you the judge..Oh, you are the judge, but what you think is wrong.. According to who? You, the guy that is flying and who's kit is being judged? CHING GOW how arrogant is that?? Don't whine as loud as you can. Call the director, all your friends and anyone else that will listen to you snivel.Try showing some good sportsmanship and class. I don't understand this self serving, I don't want to play by the rules and I want it my way stuff we see in the sport today.
When I started flying and still today. I wanted to hear what the judge thought of the birds..What he liked and scored. What he didn't like and wouldn't score. I agree that after some years flying, you have a pretty good idea how a kit did. Still, if you don't agree with a call, you shake it off and get ready for the next fly. You understand its only one mans judgement and he only has two eyes.He gave you his honest opinion and judgement. My guess, his unbiased assessment is probably more accurate about our kits, than our biased one anyway.. Its only one fly, on one fly day..If you have a good attitude, you will have many many more fly days to come.
Its a poor attitude that drives many out of competition and out of rollers. Not from others in the sport, but by their own self inflicted sour attitudes towards the men, traditions, originations and rules that have made this sport and breed great!!
You new guys, Please take a few years competing and learning the ropes. Learn what the judges are looking for. Take the time to understand. Some judges standards are higher than others. Some judges have better eye sight, or a faster eye reflex. A judge can only judge to the best of his ability, both physically and mentally. These judges are volunteers who are giving their time and best effort. The last thing they need is some whining poor sport cry baby trying to smear their good name..
Before you want to tell the institutions and judges what they should be scoring and how things should be done.. Spend a few years flying and competing. Judge some of the big flys yourself.. Learn the ins and outs.. I think your opinion and attitude will change, and for the better.. You will understand how hard this sport and judging can really be. You will have at least learned and earned the right to snivel.. LOL
You new guys. This sport and breed is the most fun of any breed in the world.. The competitions are a blast!!! There is so much to learn from them. Please, go into the flys trying to learn and looking forward to the honor of flying. Show respect for your judge and his opinion. You will get so much more out of flying competition..
If you have guys talking in your ears after a fly, trying to spread bad rumors, talking crap about the judge and the guys putting things together,, Brush them off!!!!! Let them know, no one likes a gossiper who wants to turn good things into something bad.. No one likes a person that only looks for negative.. No one wants to hear how so and so won,, but but but but..
YEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAA man I had some smokers up! YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAA JOE BLOW won the NBRC.. WAY TO GO JOE... This is what a good sport says after a fly.. It makes everyone, including you feel great!!
The poor sport, just whaaaaa whaaaaa all the way to the next Whaaaaaaaa.. It makes everyone he comes into contact with fill bad,, including himself.. There is no joy in trying to find bad in everyone and every fly..
Its all about attitude. So when you get into the competitions. Remember a great attitude will help you learn! A positive attitude will make the sport the great fun it was meant to be.. Listen, learn, be humble and quick to adjust.. Look for the good and positive in the people and competitions. You will find it abundant, I promise!!!! Mongrel Lofts
Last Edited by Mongrel Lofts on Nov 20, 2005 5:52 PM
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Alohazona
85 posts
Nov 20, 2005
5:12 PM
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Hi Kenny,
GOOD post,especially the last paragraph!!:-)...Aloha,Todd
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birdman
86 posts
Nov 20, 2005
5:17 PM
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Ken,
Do you think that part of the problem could be that certain areas have loose judges that will score every axel rolling, backward facing wing twitch? I live in Southern California, and within a 45 minute drive I can view several of the best kits in the world. Maybe some of the new fliers you are referring to get their panties in a bunch when a really 'good' judge is in town and scores them as they should be scored? If they've never seen quality, or been judged on quality, how do they really know what quality is? If it were me, I would be all ears, especially if a world class judge was in my backyard. Your points makes sense to me
Russ
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viper
13 posts
Nov 20, 2005
7:18 PM
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Kenny great post Blake
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Double D
85 posts
Nov 20, 2005
7:43 PM
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Ken, wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree with you whole-heartedly. I know I have a ton to learn and I can't wait for my first competition so that I can have someone who knows what they're doing stand under my birds and tell me what I need to improve on. What better guage could there be?
All I can say is amen, amen, amen!
(I was left wondering what influenced you to write that however.)
Thanks KGB, great message!
Darin
P.S. I'd sure like to know where some newcomer gets off acting like that since they probably know exactly squat!
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Pali View Lofts
7 posts
Nov 20, 2005
8:39 PM
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Great post Kenny,
I am sure that you are well aware that common sense is not that common!
PVL
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knaylor
34 posts
Nov 20, 2005
9:47 PM
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Kenny, great post man!!!!! I deal with this stuff big time every year around April. I have a bunch that says that they will not fly in the W/C until I get a judge that will score their birds. Can you imagine that? To me its more fun to breed and fly birds that judges will score. I even had an experienced flyer chew on my last year because he didn't qualify. He blamed the judge and then me. He said that all the guys watching his kit agreed with him. No one there other than myself had ever judged a kit. Then he said I didn't get the schedule out in time. Although he knew what weekend we were flying for months. He also knew the time for two weeks. These are the calls that make it tough being an RD. I would rather get the calls that compliment the judge and a thank you for all the hard work. Kevin
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J_Star
118 posts
Nov 21, 2005
5:20 AM
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Kenny, good post. All the flys' that I've been around in the last couple of years, did not see or realize the un-sportsmenship behavior from any the roller men. They were all nice people and took the constructive criticism about their birds well. But remember that it is neither the newbie nor the oldie in the sport that complain. Rather, it’s the whiners and a whiner is always a whiner. If they don't have their way, they will throw a fit and if they don't find people to listen, they will become louder. I think your post should be to all roller men not just the newbie. If this hobby becomes stressful to any of them, it is best to get out of it and leave it the ones that really want to make the breed better, enjoy it and enjoy the company.
Jay
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Mongrel Lofts
84 posts
Nov 21, 2005
6:28 AM
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Hey Jay,
You are right about some old timers also have sour attitudes and being whiners. Thing is, most of them don't fly in competition much, as they have Whaaaaaaaa their way out of it already.. LOL To late to help an old bad attitude. They are the ones that uaually start a new guy off on the sour attitude and wrong way of thinking. My post was in hopes of helping the new flyer that might have come in contact with the whiners and those who can't fly, for driving themselves (WHAAAAAAAAAAAA out of flying competition already.. I Hope to save them from the same doom and gloom as the guys who only talk about the flys already.. Points well taken guys.. Mongrel Lofts
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dave
43 posts
Nov 21, 2005
8:54 AM
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Great post Kenny. The fall fly was my first and it won't be the last. There was a bunch of guys complaining about this and that but not me. I really like how the judge judged our area. It just showed me how much more improvement I needed. I hope that he will judge our area again in the future and not to hesitate coming back because of some guys that let their emotions and ego get out of hand. One of the guy was so pissed off he quit the flying rollers and is now going into the show rollers, lmao. I think the judge knows who he is, lol.
Last Edited by dave on Nov 21, 2005 8:56 AM
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merced guy
22 posts
Nov 21, 2005
9:25 AM
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Man, as a new guy, I can feel your post headed straight for home. I have not compete yet, but what you said makes alot of sense and is indeed a humble post in itself. Vets like yourself saying what you said means alot to a new guy. It makes us want to be a part of the organization because we know that we are being shown the ropes and encourage to build on potentials--- which is ever ending.
Great post
in the sport,
thong
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Major-ret
10 posts
Nov 21, 2005
10:06 AM
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Excellent post Kenny. Us new guys should be sponges--listening and accepting the good and and not so good comments from judges as well as from fellow flyers. How else are we/are rollers going to get better!!! Steve
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nicksiders
304 posts
Nov 23, 2005
5:28 PM
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New competitors and old competitors alike have no business judging the judge especially in a public forum.
Put your birds up on fly day at the prescribed time; take notes from the judge and get your score; offer the judge some drink and food; thank him when he concludes at your place.
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rollerpigeon1963
54 posts
Nov 23, 2005
5:43 PM
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Kenny,
Great job!!!! I believe there is a lot of people who need to take some of this in.
Brian Middaugh
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motherlodelofts
506 posts
Nov 23, 2005
5:57 PM
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Nick , RIGHT on the money buddy.
Brian good to see you at home !!!!!!!!
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Nov 23, 2005 5:59 PM
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