jord
2 posts
Dec 08, 2005
10:26 AM
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i have heard that odd eyed rollers roll better what are your views on this
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J_Star
140 posts
Dec 08, 2005
11:22 AM
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Not true. Eye has nothing to do with the roll.
Jay
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fhtfire
264 posts
Dec 08, 2005
1:42 PM
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Jay is 100% correct. All they need is two eyes...a beak..and wings...feathers sometimes help..
rock and ROLL
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fhtfire
265 posts
Dec 08, 2005
1:43 PM
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Jay is 100% correct. All they need is two eyes...a beak..and wings...feathers sometimes help..
rock and ROLL
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jord
6 posts
Dec 09, 2005
5:57 AM
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im glad i found this site i have lots of questions.but now i dont no where to start.what is furazolidone for?
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Norm_Knox
20 posts
Dec 10, 2005
3:22 PM
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Man as long they have two eyes and roll like hell they are fine with me.
Norm
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
584 posts
Dec 10, 2005
3:40 PM
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jord. Odd eyed birds are usually caused by the Pied Factor.Any birds with white around the eye usually wind up with that eye being darker.Not always but mostly.Patterns,Factors,Modifiers & Colors have nothing to do with the way a roller rolls. David
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Mount Airy Lofts
51 posts
Dec 12, 2005
4:59 PM
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I have a difference of opinion here. I think there is some to the eye. Not that it has to do with being bull or not. The eye can tell you alot in a bird. One example is when a stock bird goes infertile, it will usually lose the shine in it's eye - which will cause it to look a dim or dull sense. This dim or dull look can also indicate if a bird is sick... this with the droppings will give you a heads up.
On performance, I find that in my family, if a bird had a scratchy flared up pupil, it will be on the hot side with velocity. On the other hand, if this flared pupil runs out to the center of it's beak line (cracked eye), it will be a pretty frequent young lad but lose it's frequency all together in it's hold over to old bird days. This has so far held true as I keep pretty good performance records.
Thor
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centralvalleylofts
23 posts
Dec 12, 2005
8:08 PM
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im sorry guys but if your new to this page why dont you guys read past articles. there is over 40 chapters with the same questions. and as for odd eyed birds it depends
on the famaly. some famalies have different traits some famalies best performer might be in the oddeyed side and somenot. what you guys seem to forget when you ask this questions is to be specific remember the birds are what you make of them and not the otherway around. when joe picks a bird becuse of color instead of roll and expression it becomes something else you guys need to know the many different breeders have their own ideal bird and others may differ from joe's point of view. back again the birds are what we make of them them. anybody can f@#k a great pair of birds when they breed them. because they see something different it their view and distroy the genes in just 1 or 2 seasons. so the next time you ask be specific
pensoms,smiths,reeds,jaconnetes,higgins,neibels,fireballs,
joe roe, they are many different famalies and the answers just as great in numbers. just a thought your freind in the hobby steve.
Last Edited by centralvalleylofts on Dec 12, 2005 8:09 PM
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Bill C
17 posts
Dec 18, 2005
8:11 PM
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Thor I agree with you that, a guy can learn alot from his birds eyes. I have the best rollers out of young birds that deveoped an eye that is as if it has its eye wide open like you have just surpised it. I call it spaced out look to it. Not like it is in dream land but like it is alert to your every move. THis may not be the case in all families though but when I get a young bird with this look I think to my self, (what a wonderful world) actually I think, this is going to be a good roller I'll bet. I've had rollers for four or five years now and I have noticed that the four guys who I know who have inbred families and have seen their birds all have the spaced out look to them in the breeding pens. It is easiest to see in pearl eyes and again maybe it is something I look at only because all the best rollers I have raised have the same ingteligent look to them. I am a slow learner in that in four years I have only two cock birds to make foundation birds and i will be starting to inbreed these two cock birds with a few hens for the first time in four years. It took that long to get two champions worth making foundation birds. I am thinking they will have similar eyes like the inbred families I have seen. I still would not pick for eyes but performance, its just that the spaced out eyes follows the velcity rollers I raise for some reason. Maybe I'm getting lucky here? I have two birds with odd eyes. So far one was a fun cull to watch as it rolled all the time but was a sloppy roller who always tried not to roll, weak mentally and the other is a Tom Hatcher bird that has alot of white on him and 7 months and has yet to roll, but it might turn out geat as I like late developing birds. SO odd eyes have not been an improvement here. Bill
Last Edited by Bill C on Dec 18, 2005 8:20 PM
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
592 posts
Dec 19, 2005
3:29 AM
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Steve.You said:im sorry guys but if your new to this page why dont you guys read past articles. there is over 40 chapters with the same questions.
Who has time to sit at the computer and read thru all the Archives to get the answer they are looking for. LOL.
I am Not new to this list and for one it is much quicker if I need an answer to a question I have it is much easier to just ask it.There is many on this List everyday and I don,t think anyone minds answering a question over & over again.Unless it should be asked in the same week.LOL.
Another Chapter won,t hurt anything.
I would say to all that is New to the list to get involved on the list and if you have a question just ask it.Someone will answer it.
Maybe someday when Tony is retired he can compile everything.LOL. Just my opinion. David
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Shaun
229 posts
Dec 19, 2005
11:14 AM
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David, wise words, my friend. I've often waded through pages of questions and answers looking for a particular topic. As this forum grows even bigger, it will become more difficult to find what you're looking for without some sort of subject index.
Meanwhile, I don't feel there's any harm in hearing a repetition of questions again. Sometimes the same questions will elicit a different take from different people.
Having said that, it's great when someone can point to a particular date/page where the same topic was discussed beforehand and would, therefore, be very useful for the person posting a similar question to read.
Shaun
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Mount Airy Lofts
52 posts
Dec 20, 2005
1:43 AM
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Bill C.,
In not sure what you are referring to as a space out look but when it occurs in my family of rollers, it means doom. All roller that I have noticed with this space out look to their eyes have turn out to be roll downs. The look they give off is a LOST type look. I have not yet master this look but I fairly sure it spells disaster if it occurs in any bird. Maybe a few more years of flying this family will aid me in this department.
On a side note, any bird that possess Black Pearl eyes will likely turn out. I have yet bred any myself with Black Pearl eyes but from the looks of the loaner breeeders I have attain, these have proved to be outstanding producers. They have also been pencilled as being Outstanding in the air. Maybe there is something to bird's with this Black Pearl eyes, maybe it is just a fluke. No one should just breed from looking at eyes alone but the point is, there is something to the eye. Well, at least that is what I believe.
I know a fellow here who is a believer in the power of the eye flex. He plucked out a pair of 'Culls' from using this eye flex theory of his and this pair went on to producing foundation birds to many of the lofts around here. Funny how after hearing of the breeding capability of these two 'Culls', the fellow who culled them took back the birds. One was a bird purchase from Stan Plona and the other was a F1 from Plona's stock. I don't know if there is any thing to eye signs or eye flex, but to put it off as BS is to close your eyes to all the other aspects of what makes a quality breeder what it is in the first place. The fellow I know picked these 2 birds out of 10 or so birds that have been 'Culled'. Now you may say he was just lucky, but ask the fellow who picked these two birds and he swears by his eye flex theory. He believed it so that after going thru all the 'culls' in the batch, he went around and told every one that they need to breed out of this cock and hen. No one took up his advise so he went ahead himself. The rest was history and it is now pencilled down as one of the most outstanding breeding pair in that era breeding Champions after Champions.
Anywho, here is a Ken Easley Blue Check Cock bird that possess such a Black Pearl eye: http://jackhammerbreaks.homestead.com/files/938_x_920.JPG
Thor
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
596 posts
Dec 20, 2005
2:56 AM
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Jay. Could you find a closer pic of the Black Pearl eye you are talking about.Very interesting. David
P.S. By the way I am really enjoying the videos you sent me on these cold winter days.Thanks
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Mount Airy Lofts
53 posts
Dec 20, 2005
5:10 PM
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David,
Glad you liked that video I sent you. It is a very well made video.
On the Black Pearl eye photos... For some reason, every time I try taking photos of the eye... it never comes out right. I think I'll give it another try this breeding season when I pick up one of the 3 Black Pearl eyes breeders I had last year to reuse this year.
Here is another photo of Ken E. Blue Check Cock: http://www.geocities.com/khaos_thor/KEN_DARKCHECK_COCK.JPG
It is hard to see the Black Lining in the photos but when you see it first hand, there is no question it is there.
Just imagine a regular clear bright Pearl eye. It is either all white, white with a red lining, or white with a pink lining. Well, a Black Pearl eye is simply just a white with a Blackish lining.
Thinking about it, I think it is all so seen in Oranged eyes birds a well. I have never seen one myself but have heard the legends of Brown eyed birds. One of which is suppose to be a full brother to my Foundation cock bird. This Brown eye bird is suppose to be a top notch performer and breeder. He is now residing in CA at a loft of Dale Wiley. I have heard similiar stories of Brown eyed birds possessing greatness in the air and the loft when they appear but have not witness such yet myself. I believe it may simply be another form of Blacking Line that turns this Orange eye - Brown. Instead of the Orange Lining, it's just Black. Altho as I mentioned, I have not yet witness a Brown eyed bird. Just stories of the legend of such birds. It seems like certain traits are fused with performance and run rapid in certain families. Like web feet, black pearl eyes, brown eyes, etc.
I'll be plucking a loaner pair or two this coming breeding season, I'll take a photo of this cock bird that possess this Black Pearl eyes.
Thor
P.S. It's not Jay (grin)
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JayThor
1 post
Dec 22, 2005
3:09 PM
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lol David I think you got me mixed up with Mount Airy Lofts.
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rollerpigeon
Site Moderator
428 posts
Dec 22, 2005
4:36 PM
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Hey David, the site can be searched using the Search Site link. I am still messing with it but it can be used to search whatever topic is on the site...
BTW, no sign of retiring for quite a while! LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Mount Airy Lofts
55 posts
Dec 22, 2005
9:00 PM
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David,
No problems.
I think you either have it in your line of bird or don't. I know Ken Easley's family of birds carries this Black Pearl eyes as I heard of him speak of it before. He also stated that the Blue Check cock bird I shown you possess it. The photo is resized and gets blurry when you zoom in but it is the best photo I can find at the moment.
From your post, it seems like your family doesn't carry it. Like I mentioned, it seems to be linked to performance and it's quite noticeable when it appears on a bird (the Black Pearl eyes). It'll take a year before it darkens to the point of showing a almost pitch black lining.
Taking photos of the eye has been a harder task then I thought. I tried many times in the past but failed. I think you need a very crisp digital camera with very good optical zoom. You also can't hold the bird head while taking the photo because the eyes will give off a phase stare and loose the contrast. I believe I recall Ken Easley and others stated that you need to just zoom in on a free standing bird. It'll try that this spring with my 5.0 Megapixal digital cam. Remind me some time this coming breeding season and I'll see if I can get a good photo of this Black Pearl eyes I am referring to.
Merry Christmas,
Thor
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Dec 22, 2005 9:02 PM
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