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rosebudrollers
1 post
Jan 03, 2006
4:14 PM
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Hey Guys,After 3 infertil rounds who is the most common to blame cock or hen. thanks
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
317 posts
Jan 03, 2006
5:56 PM
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If the hen is laying eggs, it is most likely the cock. Cut his tail off down to about one inch in length and trim the feathers around the vent areas of both birds. Add some vitamin B12 to the water too. If this doesn't work, well chances are the cock is a dud in terms of fertility.
Brian.
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Mount Airy Lofts
64 posts
Jan 04, 2006
6:08 AM
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Brian,
Does that really work?
For every year now, I get to pluck outstanding breeders and some times, even give very old birds (that has gone barren or infertile) a try or two to see if any thing gets filled. I have heard of guys telling me I need to clip the - a ss - area feather for these old birds if they aren't filling any or vice versa on hens. The problem I see is if they aren't filling it right in the beginning, what does some missing feathers really have to do with it. Taken it clears a path way for the exchange of fluids but if the fluids were duds in the first place, how is that suppose to help.
I have some medication that is suppose to help old birds hype their fertility rates but have not yet gave this a try yet. It is medicated for the use on Homers but this should be universal for all pigeons I think.
My question to every one is, how can a bird that has not filled anything in two years or so fill an egg or two in only the late season. I have had this happen twice on me all ready on two different old cock birds and once on a old hen that went barren. For some reason, it only happens in mid Fall.
For the original question, it may be simply that these two birds don't click. Repair them up and you may be suprise that both are producing fertile eggs with these new mates. It also may be your birds have Parathypoid. This can cause infertile eggs. Treat your birds with a good cleaning medication and pair them up with another mate is my best advice. Usually it will solve your problem, if not, then it will tell you which of the two birds is not doing their job in the fertility arena.
I plan on plucking a very old Champion Class producing cock bird that has missed a few rounds last year. Well if I can get any thing off him this year if I pick him up to use for the 2006 season. I'll give the butt area clipping method a try and also medicate this bird with the Homer meds I have available.
If in doubt, all ways switch mates...
Thor
P.S. I was told to never let any of the very old breeders (12 years or older) raise their own rounds. This has been my rule of thumb ever since. Any body out there breeding out of very old birds don't use fosters? If so, any ill effects (for example, death cause by stress or stress causing loss of alot of wieght, etc).
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upcd
126 posts
Jan 04, 2006
12:29 PM
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Greetings, Can I ask some qustions? Do you see these birds mating? Could they be getting interupted by other birds? Is this an older or younger male? Has this bird under gone preventive meds? What is the protien precentage on his feed. Is bird able to fly? These questions will give us some ideas as to what might being going on. Thanks, Debbie
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
318 posts
Jan 04, 2006
12:49 PM
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Yes Thor, it works. But not in every case. If a cock is shooting blanks, nothing is going to help him.
Often when you get infertile eggs from a pair, its that the pair are sort of going through the motions and often not making contact. This is when cutting the tail off and trimming the vents can help, to removal all doubt about if they are doing it properly.
The vitamin B12 seems to spring them to life, gives them energy. Lots of sunlight can help too.
Does it work? I had an old Jac cock that hadn't fertiled for the owner. I brought him home and tried him, got blanks. So then I cut his tail off and trimmed the vents of both birds. Next round, one good egg. Next round, two good eggs, etc. I raise nine young from him that year.
My #1 Helmet cock bird stopped hitting eggs. I tried many thing, but it was the cutting of the tail feathers and moving the pair to a south facing, sun lit loft all to themselves that got him to start filling both eggs that year.
Brian.
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Mount Airy Lofts
65 posts
Jan 04, 2006
1:47 PM
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Brian,
I'm gonna give it a shot this year if I take home the old dog that went blank last year (or going blank that is). Too bad my hen can't be revived. I'm trying to fly her because she has gone barren. Let her out the first time yesterday, she is a trooper and trapped in when all the other birds did. Crossing my finger for her to stay when I take off all the tape next week. Currently she has 5 flights taped giving her limited flying abilities.
Debbie, if you are referring to me. I breed in individual breeding pens only. Not only are these old birds slow to mount, their sex drive isn't as high as the younger birds. I want to make sure I know who the parents are to all my birds. As for seeing them do the wild thing. grin. Yes, they go thru the motion. I have noticed a cock bird in the past not able to mount the hen but besides that cock bird, all others are able to mount just fine. About being able to fly, it has no bearings in the individual breeding pen. The pens are just big enough for them to move about/make out. As they lay, the eggs are removed and fostered off as soon as I candle them.
Thor
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