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jerryf
9 posts
Jan 11, 2006
1:06 PM
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I pick my own pace. and Yes I am a fancy color breeder. I enjoy my rollers in the loft and breed for outstanding color, type. style.
Cocks 13 Pairs for 2006 Hens
Blue Laced w/wflights Blue Laced
Blue Laced badge/booted Blue Laced
Blue Laced baldy Dark Blue Laced baldy
Homo Andalusian Dun
Homo Andalusian Andalusian Qualmond
Homo Andalusian Dark Laced
Andalusian Andalusian
Andalusian Reduced Rec Red
Opal Andalusian Homo Andalusian
Laced Andalusian Reduced Blue Bar
Laced Andalusian Dark Laced Opal
Qualmond Indigo Rust Qualmond
Reduced Opal Laced baldy Dark Blue Lace baldy
Young pen
Homozygous Indigo. 3 Blue Laced, Andalusian, Platinum
Last Edited by jerryf on Jan 11, 2006 1:07 PM
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Ballrollers
216 posts
Jan 11, 2006
2:25 PM
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Jerry, How are you differentiating laced Andy from Andy? All my Andy's are laced. I thought that was inherent in the factor. Help me out here! YITS Cliff
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Mount Airy Lofts
77 posts
Jan 11, 2006
3:58 PM
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Jerry,
Does your stock perform at all or is it just for the show pen?
I find there are way better prettier colors in other breeds but to each his own.
Was just curious what the back ground on your birds are.
I know 2 feather merchants here who soley breed to sell. Last year, they actually tried flying out their stock and I don't know what they'd expect to see from a stock continously bred without performance in mind... but after the year pasted, their birds barely tumbled if at all. The ones that did roll, rolled all the way to the ground (Roll Downs). This year, the word from them is to find some performance stock and cross it in to see the results. I hardly doubt they will get much result in one cross because non performance is dominant to performance. But, if they intend to go on, more power to them. Funny thing about both guys, they pass their birds as Rollers (or was that Birmingham Rollers). Both guys only bred for color and type. On the same note, their stock came from some of the best in that time - one is the Fire Ball, the other is Bob Evans. Don't know how many breeds (other then the Birmingham Roller) they'd had crossed in during them 20 plus years they had the family but as a result of not flying anything out, it falls way short in the performance side now. Of course, they also have RARE factors now that was not in their original stock.
Any who, my pairing this year is a '95 bred Lavender Tick cock x a '02 Black Grizzle hen. The Black Grizzle hen is a grand daughter of this Tick. I hope to get at least one stockable bird from this pair as the hen is just on loan. I'll foster at least 10 rounds off in a 3 month time period. We'll see if any makes it thru the vigors of my culling program. I plan on only breeding out of this pair because I am at my goal in the kit box. Now, I just need to give these kit birds more air time to develop (not including my old bird team here).
Good luck with your birds,
Thor
P.S. How far are you from St. Cloud? If I recall, you are from Minnesota
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Jan 11, 2006 4:15 PM
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jerryf
10 posts
Jan 11, 2006
8:28 PM
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I purchased my rollers from sellers who fly their birds I do not fly my birds. I feel it is best to confine my birds, for their safety and for ease of management. As I have poor sight -- I am legally blind. Its best for me to manage my rollers in the loft. Lofts are well light with sun, open sides in summer, kept clean. Birds are fed a starter pig pellet 20% and popcorn mix. Drinkers are filled with fresh water with ACV every day.
I wasn't starting a flyer non-flyer debate. Just being honest. I like the rollers hardiness, good parenting skills, small size and great colors. I have a few pairs of Powder American Fantails in a separate breeding loft.
Thor of Mount Airy Loft,,,,I live 1 hour west of St. Cloud, near Alexandria,,,,,,,where are you?
Ballrollers,,, I have tradtional dark Andalusian with the lacing, Andalusians with faint Opal bars and an Andalusian cock I call "laced" as he has with dark blue and light blue color on each feather,,,not grizzle or mottle,,,,,,more irredescent "lacing" I have a picture if you sent a email to me at pfletcher@gctel.net
Jerry
Three Oaks Loft
Last Edited by jerryf on Jan 11, 2006 8:34 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
78 posts
Jan 12, 2006
1:49 AM
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Jerry,
Thanks for the info. I also didn't want to start a debate. Just talking pigeons there.
One thing I have to confess is, after reading your earlier post, I questioned why you would call your birds Rollers or Birmingham Rollers if you never saw any of them roll before? Taken they were from originally good rolling stock, but once bred soley with out testing them in the air for a generation or two or more, it's performance attributes are quite questionable. Thats is like saying, I have rollers but have never seen them roll. The term Roller means it has to roll in my book. That doesn't include any breed bred soley for the Show like the Show Roller, etc. Of course these birds would cull themselves before ever leaving the ground because it is a hard enough task for them just to fly, yet alone perform.
People forget how fast the performance can disappear in a strain if the owner only breeds from the ground. Like I mentioned, I know of two guys personally who tried flying out such a stock. They were looking to compete in the local flys but with such disappointing results... both called it quits for the time being. The saying that a strain can fall apart in just a generation or two stands to be corrected.
Anywho, about St. Cloud. I visit the fliers there at least once a year if not more. Was just wondering if you wanted to view some birds together some day. The President of the local Roller club flys some a mean old bird team that is worth any traveling distance. He flys his old family (which is a cross between Monty Niebel of BC x Jerry Boehmann of Kentucky) and his new stuff he recieved from Henry Cook. I believe he is trying out a kit of the Don Ouellette family. I have to say that he flying a Champion in his old bird team that is off his old line that should be worth the whole trip to just see itself. There were two birds that were just as good (but not equal) in there that were off his Henry Cook line. Altho I recall him telling me that one killed it self not too long after I saw that team in the air last.
There are three guys in that area that flys their birds out. Another gentleman there flies some Ivan Hatchett of Oregon birds, Ivan sent him not too long ago. Then we have a another fellow with the same family of birds I have there as well.
I know you stated you are illegally blind. There are many old timers in the hobby (not saying you are one yourself) that are as well. I haven't met many of them due to they don't venture out much to see the flies any more but it was filled with alot of roller talk when I did.
I like seeing other peoples birds, who doesn't - especially when these people have birds from famous performance breeders in this breed.
It is 1 hour and a half drive to St. Cloud from where I am at - which is the Twin Cities. That's not so bad compare to the Marshall fliers who makes the 4 hour commute just to the Metro area on competition day. Factor in 2 more hours to that 4 hours and that is a whopping 6 hour commute when they head up to St. Cloud as well.
You are sure welcome to drop by and see my birds or the St. Cloud guy's birds any day. I believe our first competition fly is the World Cup, altho we may have a earlier fly. I don't recall what we voted to do this year as to the fly dates. Other wise, it's every 3rd weekend of every month that a fly is to be held after Feb.
Metro Area flier,
Thor
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Jan 12, 2006 1:52 AM
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