Ally Mac
88 posts
Jan 12, 2006
12:41 PM
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Hi folks.
I have decided to vaccinate against Pmv.
The kit I got has very little info on actually administering the dose. Could I get some advice on how to go about it please.
The dose is 0.2ml from a syringe with a 5/8" needle.
Another wee question, any ill effects, side effects, draw backs vaccinating?
Cheers.
Al.
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Shaun
239 posts
Jan 12, 2006
1:11 PM
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Sounds like you're having a few problems up there, Al. What's been happening?
Shaun
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fhtfire
284 posts
Jan 12, 2006
4:07 PM
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Shaun,
To administer the injection is not that hard. I was shown my Scott Campbell. You take rubbing alcohol and put it in a spray bottle. Spray the back of the neck on your bird. The feathers will get wet and seperate, exposing the skin. Poke the needle in about an 1/16 to an 1/8 of an inch. Then pull back on the syringe just a tad...if blood enters the syringe...reset and do it again..if nothing comes in go ahead and inject the vaccine. then rub the area with your finger for a couple of seconds and move on to the next bird. Rubbing the injection site...moves the vaccine around so that it will not crystalize and cause a little knot.. The injection site is in the back of the neck...in the middle. Very easy to do. It makes it easier with two people...but it can be done with one person. Just remember to put a lot of alcohol that the feathers are wet.
Just a little info...take a good needle and put it in the vaccine bottle.That needle stays there and does not come out until you are done. Every time you have to fill the syringe...take off the needle you use for injecting and attach the syringe to the needle you have in the vaccine bottle. When you fill the syringe...leave the needle in the bottle and then re attach the needle you use for injecting. that way you do not contaminate your bottle of vaccine. Also, when you fill the syringe...put a little bit more then you will inject...turn the syringe with the needle facing up and push out the vaccine until the desired amount is needed. That way you force out the air. If you get air in the bloodstream...that is not a good thing..LOL!!. You can use the same needle to inject all your birds...just shoot it with alcohol between uses. That is it!!
I have vaccinated my birds...for the last 3 years....just for the heck of it.....and I have had no adverse affects from the injection. My breeders continued to feed the young and acted totally normal. I rested the kit birds for a couple days and gave them some electorlytes/or apple cider viniger just for the heck of it. I have never had a problem.
rock and ROLL
Paul FUllerton
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nicksiders
344 posts
Jan 12, 2006
4:59 PM
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It amazes me that so many breeders seem to be frustrated vetinarians........all of the meds and drugs and needles. Is PMV and other problems so prevelent that we have to have an continous enaculation program going on?
Are you medicating healthy birds?
Good clean feed; some vitamins; some minerals; grit; fresh clean water; clean loft and kit boxes; a spray for parasites and your probably good to go. Maybe some meds for canker and throw away the other stuff.
Does all this stuff make you feel more important or smarter, maybe? Whats the deal?
These are tough little critters.
Last Edited by nicksiders on Jan 12, 2006 5:01 PM
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fhtfire
285 posts
Jan 12, 2006
9:21 PM
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Nicksiders,
A vaccine is not a medication, it is actually PMV that is inactive or missing the part that will wack your bird. It lets the Bird build a natural immunity to it. I agree with you on the Medications. I have never treated my rollers for canker, or for being sick. The only thing that I do is worm them twice a year and powder them for mites and give vitamins.
If you think about it....people are vaccinated for mumps, measeles, small pox, Hepatitis and the list goes on. Is there an outbreak of the following diseases in the US...no there is not.....but everyone is vaccinated as a precaution...So there is not an outbreak. All vaccinating is doing is letting the birds build up a natural immunity.....If you get PMV.....man....what a mess....I do not have PMV and I keep my lofts clean. But...all it takes is one time and you could kill your whole loft. I mean..hey..you vaccinate your dog for rabies....is there an outbreak...nope...but just in case, you want to keep your dog healthy.
PMV can be brought to your loft by other fanciers with it on there shoes, Commie pigeons....no matter how clean your loft is or what you give them...Unless you make your fellow fanciers soak there shoes in a bleach solution before they walk around your loft..you could get it....You fancy friend may not even show signs in his birdsl....but they could be carriers.....the question is...why risk it. Again, I agree with the meds thing...overmedicating actually hurts the birds. Vaccinating is prevention. I think our European friends are smart because according to many websites...PMV is found to breakout a lot more in Europe. You do not have to have an outbreak to vaccinate.
Here is the website on PMV http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/disease/pigeons.htm
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by fhtfire on Jan 12, 2006 9:25 PM
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J_Star
182 posts
Jan 14, 2006
9:04 AM
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Nick, Yes indeed they are a hardy criters, but if you can not keep rodents out of your loft, then you need the PMV thing to try to correct some problems.
We can control the dryness of the loft and everything else but when it comes to rodents sometimes it is challenging task because the loft maybe was not built as rodent proof to begin with.
Jay
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Ally Mac
89 posts
Jan 14, 2006
9:41 AM
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Paul.
Thanks for that, you have explained it very well, I got some surgical spirit today, just need something to spray it from then thats me ready to go.
Nick, I can assure you I am not just pumping drugs into the birds for the sake of it. It is not something I am particulary looking forward to doing but I can assure you I have my reasons. I wasnt looking for a debate on whether I should or shouldn't, the advice from Paul was what I was after. If anybody has anything to add I would be pleased to hear.
Shaun.
mail me at alasdair.maclean@ukgateway.net you can tell me how these youngsters you got are doing.
Al.
Last Edited by Ally Mac on Jan 14, 2006 9:44 AM
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upcd
135 posts
Jan 14, 2006
11:52 AM
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Have you ever seen a neck bump after vaccinating? One of my birds has one, how long do they last?
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fhtfire
291 posts
Jan 14, 2006
12:03 PM
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Yes I have seen a neck bump after vaccinating. They usually go away in about 4 months or so. Keep an eye on it. SOmetimes they start to grow. A friend of my took his bird to the vet and had them cut the little bump out and stitch it up. It was about a 50.00 bill. Worth every penny if it is a good spinner or a proven breeder.
rock and ROLL
Paul Fullerton
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