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What causes canker????
What causes canker????
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Alohazona
105 posts
Jan 17, 2006
8:26 AM
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Hey Folks,
A guy told me the other day that corn was a contributer to causing canker,funny thing,thats not the first time I heard that.Does anyone have the knowledge of its true source???..........:-)...Aloha,Todd
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motherlodelofts
568 posts
Jan 17, 2006
8:52 AM
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Todd the way I understand it "cracked" corn is, I think it has to do with once it is cracked that it opens it up to fungus , plus it being cracked may even irritate the throat.
I never have a need corn here, I don't think you would either as it is a fat seed which generates heat, those in colder climates need it.
I use Salflour for fat in my feed.
Scott
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Shaun
252 posts
Jan 17, 2006
9:37 AM
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Here in England, that same assertion about corn (we call it maize), has been made since I first kept pigeons 30 odd years ago. But, equally, there are many who say they've never had such a problem. Certainly, you can see that uncracked maize has quite a sharp point to it, but I've been feeding it whole all winter. Some birds will take it; others won't. I've not noticed any problem in those birds which do eat it.
Shaun
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Phantom1
102 posts
Jan 17, 2006
9:41 AM
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When I was a junior, I fed a straight 50/50 mix of Milo and Cracked Corn. I never had a problem with canker. I have, however, had several bouts with it since moving to Dallas. I think any damp feed or dirty water will perpetuate the presence of it. I would say just be mindful of any extra feed laying around on the floor and keep your lofts dry and well ventilated. And if you're looking for a good cure - Fish Zol works wonders.
Yours in the hobby,
Eric
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J_Star
185 posts
Jan 17, 2006
12:03 PM
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Canker sores are called also mouth (peak) ulcers. Canker sores are thought to form when, for unexplained reasons, a pigeon’s immune system identifies the presence of chemical molecules that it does not recognize. The presence of those molecules activates an attack by the immune system's lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell). The carnage created by the lymphocytes' attack on these unrecognized molecules results in the formation of the peak ulcers.
Causes can be of many things including:
1. EMOTIONAL STRESS or PSYCHIC STRESS is the number one cause of canker.
2. Nutritional deficiencies: deficient in Vitamin B1, B2, B6, B12 and C.
3. Allergies and sensitivities to certain feed or cereal grains such as buckwheat, wheat, barley, oats and rye, and the gluten protein found in grains.
4. Hormonal change, around breeding season.
5. Genetics, carried from generation to generation.
Hope this information will help. Thanks.
Jay
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ROLLERMAN
25 posts
Jan 17, 2006
1:22 PM
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the best thing to do to stop getting canker is to make sure that your birds are eating good clean food and clean drinking water treat them with either emtry or fishzole just before breeding seasion, how ever they are safe to use at any time. i cant remmber the last time any of my birds had canker. when it comes to my birds im a clean freak
ps my birds get corn tru all the winter months and i breed nov tru feb.
al
Last Edited by ROLLERMAN on Jan 17, 2006 1:24 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
343 posts
Jan 17, 2006
6:04 PM
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G.D. Butcher, D.V.M., Ph.D.2
Trichomoniasis (pigeon canker) is the most common disease of pigeons. Approximately 80 percent of pigeons are infected with this organism. The organism is a microscopic flagellate classified as a protozoan. Different strains, Trichomonas gallinae or Trichomonas columbae , vary greatly in their ability to cause disease. The disease occurs worldwide in warm climates or during warm weather. It may occur at any time of the year in commercial squab operations. Adult pigeons frequently carry the trichomonads without showing signs of disease. When the adult pigeon is stressed, however, the organisms may multiply profusely. A mild infection can then turn into a serious condition. Stresses include other diseases, parasitic infestations, or overbreeding.
Eric, I find it not so odd that you say that about moving to Dallas. I have a friend in the Helmets who lived in Washington State and said he never, ever had a case of canker in his birds. Then he moved to Texas and it was a problem every year. A few years later he moved back to Washington, and low and behold, no more canker.
I have another friend in Corpus Christi who has lots of problems during the heat of the summer and canker is just one of the problems.
I get the odd young baby here and there, maybe 4-5 out of 250 babies bred each year, and they always seem to be in the summer rounds. So maybe there is something to the heat and humidity that activates the problem of canker.
Brian.
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nicksiders
347 posts
Jan 17, 2006
8:26 PM
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I have never had a canker problem. I also do not use corn in my feed.
Dry living quarters and dry feed is very key in the prevention of deseases and infections (period).
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