C.J.
16 posts
Jan 18, 2006
1:12 PM
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I am just wondering what each fancier would consider the perfect Birmingham Roller or colour Roller in the3ir loft. This is the absolute perfect bird for you. There is no right or wrong answer just looking for each persons view point. Please respect that each fancier is or may be looking for something a little different.
Just My Two Cents !!
C.J.
Last Edited by C.J. on Jan 18, 2006 3:40 PM
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Phantom1
110 posts
Jan 18, 2006
1:51 PM
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C.J. - The perfect bird for me would be meet the following criteria:
1) Small and tight bodied and feathered - one that I could comfortably fit in one palm.
2) Have a "fire" in it's eye that showed me it yearned to fly and perform. Have that intensity, yet not a bird that would bounce off the walls when you approached it.
3) Ideally, it would be both a tremendous performer with control and velocity in the kit, but just as useful in the breeder loft.
4) If I had to throw a paint job in the picture, I'd probably have to go with a Blue-Bar Self or a Barless Blue Self.
Yours in the hobby,
Eric
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C.J.
18 posts
Jan 18, 2006
3:40 PM
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Phantom sounds like we have a lot in common. Man could I picture that little bird in a full tilt roll when you were talking about her. Wow what a fireball.
Just My Two Cents!!
C.J.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
349 posts
Jan 18, 2006
3:45 PM
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The perfect roller to me would have roll with precision and in a spectacular fashion, never having any problems, always kitting and rolling only on the breaks. Then it would have to become a breeder of such caliber that it would reproduce its performance likeness with extraordinary percentages.
Brian.
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rust never sleeps
6 posts
Jan 19, 2006
3:11 PM
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Small compact "Blurr" spinner 70' the jaw dropper type i try to breed for. Color doen't matter.
Last Edited by rust never sleeps on Jan 25, 2006 6:38 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
83 posts
Jan 19, 2006
10:23 PM
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My perfect Roller would breed the same in the stock loft. On the ground he would look like the Blue Bar Badge w/f band number 1954 PRC 1769 found on page 122 in W. H. Pensom's 'The Birmingham Roller Pigeon'. On the ground she would look like the Tort band number 1952 PRC 1912 found on page 62 in the same book.
When it spinns, the bird would literly dissappear and would appear as a piece of FUZZ falling straight down. A hole would be nice but from what I have seen, it can't be seen in such a spinner. I might add I have only seen this one time and it was a one time performance.
Just my opinion,
Thor
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Jan 19, 2006 10:25 PM
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centralvalleylofts
28 posts
Jan 20, 2006
5:11 PM
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as to what a real champion bird means.or an ideal roller.
i would say first it must perform not just deep but with a measure of speed that once you see it it becomes mesmorizing. belive me you will know the difference between spining and rolling i have seen many lofts and plenty of birds and not everyone has this type it is just that they dont see it. the birds are out there and the velocity is just one begining.next is type this bird must posses it in order to have consideration in the breeding loft and thou there are many types there are just few that
i will consider in its stance and feathers and health.
next and the most important is expression it must poses this in its demeaner, it has to have a look of ready to roll and ready to fly at any given moment.
just my input steve.
ps. color and markins are not so important but hard colors are a tool as well as soft colors but you will learn that as you go along in this hobby anotherthing is hard colors are stronger in expression. and soft colors are weaker in expression. just my two cents, steve
Last Edited by centralvalleylofts on Jan 20, 2006 5:15 PM
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Fr.mike
95 posts
Mar 16, 2006
1:15 PM
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What do you mean?
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Ballrollers
302 posts
Mar 16, 2006
1:23 PM
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Give it up, Mike.
Cliff
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Shaun
302 posts
Mar 16, 2006
1:24 PM
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It's English, Jim, but not as we know it...
Shaun
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Fr.mike
96 posts
Mar 16, 2006
1:29 PM
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Your right Cliff I give Up!I give up because the red dog spins with the plant out back who doesent know the people next to yhe trash ben because i like it that way !LoL
Mike
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Sourland
44 posts
Mar 16, 2006
5:03 PM
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Fr. Mike
u be got it
Jim speak dis
Don't need understan
geo.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
529 posts
Mar 16, 2006
8:04 PM
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hehehehehehe. yoose guise
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Ballrollers
303 posts
Mar 16, 2006
8:32 PM
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LMAO! You guys crack me up sometimes! It's good to see such a good sense of humor from everyone!
YITS, Cliff
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J_Star
300 posts
Mar 17, 2006
4:44 AM
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What am I missing here? (lol)
Jay
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Fr.mike
98 posts
Mar 17, 2006
4:53 AM
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My o My Jay My o My-Omy omy ooo mymymymy!Its a new way of comunakatten!
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STARFIRE
11 posts
Mar 26, 2006
10:30 AM
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Hey Guys:
How come everybodys talking about their ideal spinner being in the 50-70 ft range.If you got some like that you couldn`t compete with them.They are too deep for competition,aren`t they?Take too long to get back in the kit.I have some in the 40ft range and I think thats about the limit for comptition.My birds are all deep,any thing uder 25ft I won`t breed from.I think it could be possible to use them if all your birds are in that depth range and they go right back to the kit.But that is highly unlikley as no one has that many in that range,that they could use in one kit.
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STARFIRE
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Dave Szab
29 posts
Mar 26, 2006
10:46 AM
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Hey Starfire,
That's because some of these guys have a problem gauging the length of the roll. If you ask their wives, they will tell you to always deduct 40% from the length that they state. If they say 50 ft they really mean 30 ft. Why would their wives know this you ask? That's because when she sees 6 in. they are always telling her it's 10 in.! LOL.
Dave Szabatura
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Shaun
313 posts
Mar 26, 2006
11:52 AM
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Dave, it's true. Time after time I read about someone's depth of pigeon roll and I think - how the hell do you know how many feet it was? Because I have no particular source of reference, I tend to go by time. I see some nice rolls which bring a smile to my face (half a second to a second, on my stopwatch), but then there's another which just goes on for that bit longer (a second and a half, maybe), which brings a broad grin to my face. And then there's the one which goes on that bit further than the others - it's now two seconds; it can't possibly pull out of that one... it's gonna crash... -- no, it's pulled out of it and it's heading back to the kit. Awesome... And it's depth was? Haven't a clue...
Shaun
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spinnerdom
81 posts
Mar 26, 2006
11:52 AM
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the first post that i have enjoyed .
the learned langlish ima finin enjoyc able. lllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooho
phantom 1 isa wicaho
best a basball, is a spinner a roller, or a roller a spinner
tondy ams sorrddy rais your botty. lmao heheheheheheheheheheh
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spinnerdom
82 posts
Mar 26, 2006
12:28 PM
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shaun: a second is for me , one thousand and one,per 10 '
twice 20' three times30'.
i couldnt judge a kit, looking at a watch and looking at a kit. a lot of judges dont do depth very well.hope it helps.
jim
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Shaun
315 posts
Mar 26, 2006
12:49 PM
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Jim, I hear what you say. I hold the stopwatch in my hand, but I'm not looking at it. I'm watching the kit and only when one particular bird that I know is a good one, suddenly lets rip, I flick the stopwatch, then shut it off as soon as the bird puts on the brakes. I've found that most rolls - even with great velocity - tend to last between a second and a second and a half. When it gets to two seconds, I'm grinning. So, the stopwatch just confirms what I instinctively felt. Depth itself isn't the turn-on for me - it's just watching that spinning ball for a good time, regardless of how far the bird actually dropped. I've seen birds which to my inexperienced eyes, didn't seem to drop more than a few feet (probably an optical illusion), yet the rapid spinning for that couple of seconds was wonderful to behold.
Shaun
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spinnerdom
101 posts
Mar 28, 2006
6:31 AM
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shaun this is for you, judge from side all side views are the same just variations of a circle, this circular form is the the gene,....up the ass tells you little,..unless you wont hs these are slow, i have seen the best.
they come from one body type only.....,the bull shit that every bird has all the styles in one bird. is absolutely a lie.....i breed for speed the baseball,the ultmate bird, wing load 8"DOWN.....once you have picked what you wont breed from them, pick minimum 2 sec to 4 sec,measure wings, butt to tip, you now have direction,stay with what you wont unless you see better.never breed to anyone else preference only your own. in this hobby you never stop leaning,
kowalsky books i dont think can be beat.
ps i only deal in fact.........jim
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Shaun
317 posts
Mar 28, 2006
8:06 AM
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Trouble is, Jim, seeing them side on is rather hit and miss. When a bird drops like a stone with a great roll, it could be anywhere in the sky in relation to the viewer. I've only seen the hole a couple of times when, by chance, I was in exactly the right place. As for a four seconds roll, if my rollers did that they'd be dead - they just don't fly that high. If yours do that, it must be a sight to behold.
Shaun
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spinnerdom
104 posts
Mar 28, 2006
9:04 AM
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circular form is the gene, i look for nothing else,hole or no hole, ball or donut makes, no difference to me .if the gene is there i keep it. feed your birds they will fly higher,adjust feed to height,what ever height you want.
your gene pool,your wing loading, your feed can ,you are the man.
a competition kit every bird 30',every bird circular form
and no bird will make a mistake, i come to win ,i have won enough to prove it.have nothing more to prove.
jim
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Mar 28, 2006 9:33 AM
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J_Star
326 posts
Mar 28, 2006
9:59 AM
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Jim,
Those are words of roller wisdom. That is what we have been waiting to hear from you. Keep up the good work and thanks.
Jay
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STARFIRE
14 posts
Mar 31, 2006
5:30 PM
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Hey Guys:
Speaking of depth in competition,when you are going through the fly reports of the various flys,What would you think the depth would be if the flyer was give say a -D 1.6 Lets see how different guys interpret the depth modifyers in any given fly.How deep would you think a 1.6 would be?
STARFIRE=
Stan Arnold
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J_Star
341 posts
Mar 31, 2006
6:34 PM
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Stan, I think from 35' to 40'.
Jay
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knaylor
149 posts
Mar 31, 2006
7:21 PM
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Stan, I would say that it would have to 35'-40' also. But the whole kit not just a few. I also know that what I think is 35'-40' others will see a different depth. There is no way to be exact. just the judges opinion and that is all. Kevin
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