nicksiders
372 posts
Jan 24, 2006
3:34 PM
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I did something the other day I said I would never do. I had seven birds I was going to cull set off by themselves in a cage. A near by breeder was at my house and watched my A Team (my Varsity) fly and they were on that day.
This breeder who I did not know (came with a mutual friend) asked if I had birds for sale of which I didn't. He then asked about the birds in the nearby cage. I told him they were culls. He then preceeded to ask for them. I again explained that the were birds not performing well and were going to be .....ah culled. He insisted that he would like to have them and I finally broke and agreed.
I have never gave anyone my culls to fly or breed because I don't want to be associated with passing on junk and what's more important it has an adverse affect on our hobby. I am considering retreaving these birds from him and then culling them.
What would you guys do?
I will never do that again!
Last Edited by nicksiders on Jan 24, 2006 3:37 PM
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fhtfire
311 posts
Jan 24, 2006
4:07 PM
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Nick,
you let the guy know that they were culls and did not perform. So you were honest and he still wanted them...no worries. I have given away a lot of culls to guys that just want pigeons..or pigeons that do some nice rolls here and there. As long as you are honest the choice is yours. You know as well as I do...that he may put two of your culls together and they could breed some damn good birds. One old man take my culls sometimes...He flies an open loft and they are free to leave the loft whenever they want. I was at his house and his birds happened to be up...and there were two grizzles doing 25 ft rolls like lightning...I asked what pair they were out of..and they were out of a pair that were total stiffs that I had. Who would have known. Anyway...as long as you told him they were culls..no problem. He may just want some pigeons.
You are only a bad guy if you get money for culls and pass them off as good rollers.
rock and ROLL
Paul FUllerton
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centralvalleylofts
29 posts
Jan 24, 2006
6:32 PM
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as far as giving birds away their is nothing wrong with it as long as you let the other party know what they are.
some newcomers are just impation when it comes to birds they see what you have and figure even your culls will do for the moment till they have birds of their own to breed from just let them know not to breed from such birds but ok to fly from. remember that ones junk is anothers treasure.
p.s. just let the newcomer that you will hook them up with better birds when the time comes.
steve
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Shaun
262 posts
Jan 24, 2006
11:57 PM
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Nick, when I started last year, I was sold a very mixed bag of rollers, some crap, some average, some good. But, I've never regretted starting with them. I had to make the inevitable pigeon husbandry and training mistakes and lost a few, as a result. But, looking back, I reckon it was better to learn the craft with disposable birds. The ones I'm left with have turned out to be great parents, so they earn their keep as fosters. But, the guy who sold me the birds wasn't honest, as you have been.
Your conscience should be clear and, as Paul has found, genetically speaking, there's no reason why a crap flying bird can't carry good genes and pass them on. The new starter has nothing to lose. If he tires of them, he can always find better birds but, meanwhile, he will hopefully hone his skills in readiness for something decent - perhaps from your goodself.
Believe me, I would welcome the opportunity to give away unwanted birds as mere tumblers, rather than detroy them.
Shaun
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knaylor
56 posts
Jan 25, 2006
12:39 AM
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Nick, you did nothing wrong. You were honest with the guy and it sounds like those were the birds he was looking for. Kevin
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Vibey
2 posts
Feb 03, 2006
1:33 PM
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I agree with the others as far as no foul was committed. You stated that you were not happy with the birds in question and were planning on destroying them. I recall in my beginner yrs , all i cared was that i had birds that would roll , reguardless of how good or bad , and then work from that point to come up with a better line . You will not be the only person to keep below average birds in circulation, weather it be by accident and or on purpose. Ive always had trouble destroyoying any birds , unless they were ill and a threat to the other birds, so god knows ive circulated my fair shair of just average birds as well. I'd still feel good that you made someones day by giving them the birds he seemed to want reguardless .
keep on keepin on dude ...happy breeding, and flying.
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Vibey
3 posts
Feb 03, 2006
1:38 PM
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Hawk Season....Do you breeders throughout the U S of A have the same serious hawk probs asi do in Canada during the winter mths ?..from late November , until mid April, i cannot fly my rollers because the hawks are thick , and i generally lose my birds. I love to fly my birds , but with the small kit i have , i cannot afford to lose any to hawks , and they generally get the best damned birds too...Murphy's law. So i guess i just lock em up for the 5 mths or so , and stay patient untill the hawks move back to the woods in the late spring . Sometimes if impatient , i will toss a scruff homer out i keep as hawk bait , to see if there are any in the area , and if he goes unbothered , i will let the rollers out hungry for a quick zoom , and then call em in with food asap. Are there any other tricks ? or do i just have to live with this hawk dilema ?
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upcd
142 posts
Feb 05, 2006
9:19 PM
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Good for you. At least the birds got to live.
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Fanaddic
3 posts
Feb 06, 2006
6:42 AM
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Vibey. If you are feeding the wild birds with an outdoor feeder, I would suggest not doing this. This will hold the hawks in the area as they are going to watch your feeder for supper. I would also just do as you say, fly the homer first to see were the hawks are.
Last Edited by Fanaddic on Feb 06, 2006 6:43 AM
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Safire
5 posts
Feb 06, 2006
12:05 PM
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Nick,
I thought what you did was a generous of you. The 2 gentlemen knew the birds were culls. I think it's a good way of getting others into the hobby. I'm a newbie and would have done the same thing the 2 gentlemen did. You were being honest about the birds. If the birds did prove to be culls, well then you aleady told them, but what if they later turned out to be good birds. Then that means you've made a friend and helped others become interested in the hobby. To you they may be culls,but to them they would say, "there was a nice gentle men who was generous enough to give us some of his birds". What ever happens, I think more good would come out of it then bad(possibly nothing bad woold even come out of it).
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