RB&R
1 post
Feb 10, 2006
10:12 AM
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i have a young bird(3month) healthy, but he just won't eat and started getting skinny...anyone know what kind of medicine i should give for him. i have couple in the past does the same and they all dead. and now i don't want to face this kind of problem anymore. i appreciate guys. thank..
Andrew
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Norm_Knox
51 posts
Feb 10, 2006
10:35 AM
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Sounds like canker to me. Separate the bird from rest of your birds and treat all of your birds with medicine called 4in1. Look down your birds throat and see if you see any yellowish or pinkish spots. But anyways treat all of your birds with 4in1. Good luck and hope this helps. Later
Norm
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upcd
148 posts
Feb 10, 2006
12:58 PM
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Look in throat. What do you see? What's the pooh look like? Tube feed Kaytee baby bird food Extract. Get it in the house on a heating pad. There is a powerful respirator disease go around. Birds get hot then can't hold body temperature. Have a mucus coating in the throat. Looks like our stuff when we have a runny nose. It can kill a bird quick. Let me know how you are doing?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
483 posts
Feb 10, 2006
6:24 PM
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Hey Andrew, welcome to the board! Often knowing how to treat a bird for a specific illness can be a guessing game. Make written notes as to the symptoms and document how you treated it and its response. Be aware of how long you wait to treat can have an impact on the bird/s surviving.
If you dont save them this time with suggested treatment, consider a different treatment for a different illness next time.
Hope things work out.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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RB&R
2 posts
Feb 10, 2006
7:57 PM
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Thanx guys, it's too late to save him now....i know i still going to face this problem in the future. which medication you would recommend for this illness. thank guys,
Andrew
Last Edited by RB&R on Feb 10, 2006 7:58 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
484 posts
Feb 10, 2006
8:45 PM
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Hey Andrew, can you tell us what if any suggestions you followed to diagnose what you saw as far as foriegn material in the throat, how did the eyes look (sunken and glassy?) did it eat and drink, did it vomit, how long was it ill before you tried to treat it?
How large is your loft? How many birds do you keep in it? How often do you clean it? Do you bring in birds from other lofts to yours? Are your birds in an environment that is stressful?
You need to ask yourself why are these birds getting sick. If you don't do something to prevent it, it will surely happen again.
I recommend you become proactive and adhere to a regular loft maintenance program, avoid overcrowding, droppings contaminating the feed and always have clean water for them.
You should also stock up on some basic meds: Wazine for worms, Sulmet powder as anti-bacterial to go in water, vitamins and electrolytes.
There is more you can do but asking yourself these questions in advance of the next outbreak and creating a proactive plan will allow you to be better prepared next time.
If you would like, you can request a price list from me for these products and have them on hand.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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RB&R
3 posts
Feb 10, 2006
10:27 PM
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thank Tony, my loft H:6' W;8' L;8'. and two kit enough for 30 birds....i usually clean my loft every 3 week and change and clean feed almost every two day.
the sick bird look healthy, no sign of illness...no green poo...got lazy eye....he look cold...his feathers look mess up.
yeah, i just got couple youngster from a friend. and put with my birds in the kit. Beleive me or not...last year i tried to save 1 birds and i end up 13 dead birds. i asked a friend Why and he told me becuase i didn't lay cement. ground dirt, when it wet and the wet ground evaporated and cause the birds birds sick. i'm not sure this is true or not...
Andrew
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J_Star
233 posts
Feb 11, 2006
6:09 PM
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It is true but it doesn't have to be cement. The floor can be made out of wood. What I think your problem is most likely mice. The birds are eating the dropings thinkings it is grain. If you take care of the rodents, you will not have these problems.
Beleive me it is true, mice and damp loft are the number one killer for pigeons. Rethink about your setup one more time and see how you can make it damp proof and rodent proof. Best of luck.
Jay
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RB&R
4 posts
Feb 11, 2006
7:46 PM
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hey, j_star, the open loft is ok...but i;m talking about a kit one feet high from the ground. so it is true, if the ground is not lay with cement birds will get sick....i see...but how can you prevent that hapening. should i lay cement or just keep it dry. i always careful not to wet the ground but it come to the rain season, it's impossible......any suggestion......
Andrew
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fhtfire
334 posts
Feb 11, 2006
10:02 PM
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It is not true...you do not have to have a cement floor under your loft. My kit boxes are about a foot off the ground and underneath all of my kit boxes is just regular ground. I do have a tray on the ground under two of the kit boxes....but nothing underneath the other kit box.
My breeder loft is about 5 inches off of the ground. It has a wire floor and the poop falls through the wire. I have two pices of tin that are 8ft long and they slide underneath the loft to catch the poop.Underneath the tin..is rat tunnels and dirt... When it is time to clean...I just slide out the tin. When it really rains it gets pretty wet under the loft.
I have never had a real sick bird...never. I clean under all my lofts and kit boxes about every three weeks. I change the water every couple of days during the winter and once a day during the summer. I have never had canker..and I have only treated with amoxacillan one time...and that was for a couple birds that kept sneezing. I may have jumped the gun..but I treated anyway. The only thing that I really do is worm...as far as meds go...I also vaccinate for PMV every year...just for the hell of it. Ther are elevdy billion germs that cause avian sickness....you can't diagnose all without a microscope and a Phd. Ther is a good article on overmedicating in last years NBRC Bulletin..I will look for it. My friends wife is a vet and she says that you never want to throw meds out inless it is an obvious bad illness..animals build up there ammune system by getting under the weather at times. If you medicate at the drop of a hat..your birds will start to rely on meds to stay alive!
I catch about a rat a week in my rat trap. The key is not letting them get into the loft. My loft is rat proof...but I did have one rat chew through the corner of the wire...actually chewed through the wire...I caught his as and pathced the hole...anyway...I think you may have something else going on.
Jay is right about the mice and rats...there poop and pee with kill a pigeon right now! Just make it rat and mouse proof. Use the wire that has the little squares. You have to have your loft off the ground for sure.
Here is what I would do...DO NOT EXCEPT ANY MORE BIRDS! IF you do... quarantine them for about a week all by themselves..if you touch them wash your hands. Sometimes a bird that looks healthy could carry something that your birds are not used to and they catch it. Back to what I would do...Ok
I would get all of your water feeders and soak them in bleach. Then I would take all your birds and move them to one kit box and take a bleach solution at 1% and put it in a garden sprayer and spray the whole loft down....everything. I would also spray down your feeders...scrapers....feed cans....everything. I would dump all of the feed and start fresh...from a new supplier..sometimes...you get mouse piss on the feed from the feed store. I would find a feed store that has a high turn over...so you get fresh stuff...or ask the feed store owner...to call you when the load comes...and then you get it right off of the truck. I would shoot the birds with electolytes and vitamins for a couple days...and then give them apple cider vinager at least twice a week. Basically...anything that you touch or your birds touch...you should spray with the bleach solution. With 1% bleach...you can even soak your birds feet and clean them up..it will not hurt them...and then hose them off with clean water. That way you know that you have done your best...If you get a sick bird...get it out by itself away from the rest of your birds...treat it with antibiotics...load it with electrolytes and Apple Cider Vinager..if it is still kind of sick...cull it...it is not worth it if it kills all your birds. Remember to wear old cloths when using the bleach solution. You obviously have something going on. So, If you sterilize everthing that is in and around your loft....start with new feed and a new supplier....start giving them vitamins and Apple Cider vinigar and for the love of god...do not ever leave feed out over night. If my birds do not eat it ...it is tossed...if there is feed on the feed board..I use a little brush and brush it under the loft wire or into a dust pan. I had to do this very thing...when I was a teen and is sucked...I did everything above and never had a problem again. When it comes to feed...I will always..take a clean rag and rub down the feed sack..and then smell the rag...if I smell any type of urine...I take it back to the feed store...I also smell the bag when I open the feed..if the feed smells sour at all..it goes back...it should be dry and dusty.One time I had to take a bag of wheat back..I rubbed the bag down and could smell a hint of cat piss..that is just as bad as mouse piss...I brought the bag back and the feed store..go rid of there male cat and had its nuts hacked..they had cats to catch the mice...but he was making his turf on my sack of grain. Anyway...Vitamins, fresh air, clean food daily, ACV, mouse proof and clean loft and you will be ok. My meds are still unopened..I actually have to check if the are expired..LOL!! As long as your loft is off of the ground you should be ok.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
234 posts
Feb 12, 2006
12:30 PM
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Andrew, I thought you were talking about your loft not kit boxes. The kit boxes are ok a foot or two off the ground. But your loft should have a floor made out of wood or cement or 1"X2" screen. I do not like the screen method because you can not stop rodents from entering the loft. That is just my preference. It is easier to clean but a nightmare when it comes to rodents.
If you suspect that they might have somthing currently, just give them 4N1 meds as the direction tell you. Paul F. advice is sound and good. Remember prevention is the best method to keep your birds healthy.
If you let you birds roam the ground arround the loft or the kit boxes, I recommend to stop them from doing that. The reason is that could be mice droppings around and they will pick it up thinking it is a grain.
For your kit boxes, I would recommend to build a tray under the floor to catch the droppings but build it in such a way that no rodents can enter the kit box from in between the tray and the kit floor. If there is a small gap in between them then cover it with a window screen mesh. That way you will eliminate flys and misquidos (spelling) from entering the kit boexes as well.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Feb 12, 2006 12:33 PM
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nicksiders
446 posts
Feb 12, 2006
6:31 PM
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For rodent control it is best that everything is off the ground..........breeder loft; kit box. If you have it on the ground, concret or not the little mammals can get it. Get it 8 or more inches off the ground.
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J_Star
235 posts
Feb 13, 2006
4:21 AM
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Nick, why? Rodents can not climb and chew through things?
Jay
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Fr.mike
64 posts
Feb 13, 2006
4:45 PM
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What do you mean rodents cant climb?--in my barn there are terds fifteen feet up.I guarantee they can climb.I have seen them In the rafters.
Fr. Mike
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Fr.mike
65 posts
Feb 13, 2006
4:58 PM
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BTW--Just ask the someone from australia-when they have a rodent plague-- rodents chew everything soap ,car seats,carpets,wood,etc. I lived in an old house 30 years ago and the rats chewed threw everything floors walls etc. dont kid yourself they are survivers. and can climb anything and even chew threw light wire.They are smart and can solve problems.one thing they dont like is steal wool- it cuts there mouth they either stop chewing it or bleed to death.
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nicksiders
447 posts
Feb 13, 2006
5:08 PM
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There are perminent barriers that are simple to keep them from climbing into the lofts and they have a less of a temdency to create a nest nearby.
The little rodents don't like to be exposed (I also have three cats).
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J_Star
236 posts
Feb 14, 2006
5:07 AM
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We keep the loft off of the ground so the air will circulate underneath it and keep the dampness out of the loft bottom and the loft floor will last forever if it was built out of wood.
Rodents hide anywhere and don't have to be under the loft but they will come for sure and visit the loft at night when they can not be seen. I thought that I don't have mice around my property because it is very well kept up, but spilled feed on the ground from the birds eating frenzy invites mice. The best way I found, which worked well for me, is to setup poison shelters outside the loft and around the shrubs. I hide the poison under a wood made shelter and only they can enter and in a few weeks, things go back to normal minus the rodents. If you have pets such as cats or dogs, you have to be careful and put heavy objects such as a heavy rock on top of the shelter so the animals don't uncover the poison and eat it themselves.
Jay
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