nicksiders
471 posts
Feb 18, 2006
12:26 PM
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My Varsity kit has gone flat and I cannot get them out of this funk. I have tried changing thier food, changing rest periods and they are still flat.
I changed thier feed to 50/50 milo and wheat for the last three days. They are still flat, but now they only fly for 20 to 30 minutes at about 100 to 150 feet. The deep rollers are bunching off of roof tops at this altitude and into trees. I got one cock who has never had a problem now rolls down and uses it as a means to get from one place to the other. Rolls down gets up and rolls down gets up and roll down until he gets back to the loft and the only thing he says is "damn!". I have called Barry Bonds to see if he has any of that magic power still available, but he has yet to return my call. But, you know Barry. He will call a press conferance and say nothing.
I have taken four of my best birds and I am breeding them. I am wondering if the change of leadership has caused this.............hmmm? I may just get one round from them and put them back in the air in time for the WC. I don't know?
I may be making decisions to prevent being embarrassed; a short term decision instead of a decision that has long term goals in mind.
Hey, thanks for hearing me out. Now I can go whine to my wife who for 40 years has thought I was nuts anyway. I hear violin music in the background and she just asked me if I want cheese with that wine...."poor baby guy" she says and you wander why I use this site to vent(LMAO)
Any ideas?
Some of my cocks have fallen in love and this may be stressing others on the team. I am thinking about seperating the cocks from the hens. Good or bad idea?
Last Edited by nicksiders on Feb 21, 2006 10:37 PM
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birdman
125 posts
Feb 18, 2006
1:52 PM
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Geez Nick, sounds like you took them over the edge. How old are they? Are they just coming in to the roll?
Maybe they need some rest and a good feed mix to build them back up. Or maybe they just need more feed period.
What family are they?
Russ
Last Edited by birdman on Feb 18, 2006 1:53 PM
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nicksiders
472 posts
Feb 18, 2006
2:10 PM
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They are 2004 and 2005 birds(early hatches). They are made of of Smith, Plona, Norwood, and Hatcher birds. I have no pure family now of any of these families. Up until about one month ago they were doing just fine with huge scoring breaks and the frequency was there as well. I removed four of the better birds (two cocks-two hens) and moved them into the breeder loft and at about this time they just went to hell and I have not been able to get them out of this funk. What worked for them before to get them out of the funk ain't happening now.
So pass the cheese........LOL
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fhtfire
341 posts
Feb 18, 2006
8:27 PM
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Nick,
If you have moved birds from the kit and the kit has been flying together for a long time...then..I bet that is your problem. You disrupted the team. It can take up to a month to get them back again....especially if you pulled six birds..that is a 1/3 or your team. You have to do that if you want to move forward.
I pulled that black cock that was rock'n and roll'n that day you were over. I pulled him and a trigger hen to put in the stock loft. The cock has been in the kit box for about a year and a half and the hen about a year..then I added two ruby rollers to the group after pulling the two for the stock loft and then a hawk nailed my smok'n RR Campbell hen from the team a day later....and guess what...my kit has been flat for about 2 weeks. I too have played with the feed and rested them..no change....We had a club fly today and Bill Crider had to open the door to my kit box for me..because I was watching my son wrestle in Roseville...anyway...he called me and said they looked good...but not even close to what he has seen.
Just remember...like any team...if you pull a part of the team away..especially if you pull the heart out of the kit , it will take time for other birds to find there new place in the kit and the kit to find new trigger birds that get them excited. I kid you not...my birds would set up for a break and they looked all confused..short rolls...waterfalling...just crazy stuff....just get back on your old schedule and fly them just like you did...they will come back around...Hell, Look at the Sacramento Kings...they suck now....they changed the team....so they have to get the chemistry back. What seems to have been working for me...is flying two days straight and then resting two....they are getting a little better every day...plus the drastic weather changes do not help either...warm...to frezzing in a day..kind of sucks..LOL
Just give them a little time and get back on your old schedule.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
252 posts
Feb 21, 2006
5:27 AM
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Nick,
Most likely something you have done to their feed or drinking water that caused them to change other than taking four birds out. Try to think what other variables that changed from then to now that could've caused the change in flight behavior. Is it possible over feeding? Vitamins (Red cell)? High protein rations? Winter feed is taking hold of them? Hawk wary? Breeding on their mind? Or it is just the time of year! Check with everybody on this site, who is still flying their birds this time of year if their birds becoming stiffs? It is possible that rollers at this time of year, for some reason, their flight behavior change.
I know kit box stress will cause bumpers and some roll downs. Are they edgy in the kit box? I noticed that some birds that are good in their first season, for some reason they become roll downs or become stiff in the beginning of the second season. I don't know why but it happens.
If you want to get them back in the roll, then try stimulating them with other known methods to get them to roll for now.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Feb 21, 2006 5:30 AM
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nicksiders
480 posts
Feb 21, 2006
10:30 AM
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They had an outstanding day this mourning. The only thing I changed was I increased the amount of protein and gave them two days rest (Paul Fullerton's suggestion).
They were very good!
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