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Feather Merchant ????
Feather Merchant ????
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glenn
10 posts
Feb 25, 2006
6:33 PM
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Geo. there are several examples:
1) A guy who sells everything has the paper (pedigree) to back it up but the birds are not that good. Instead of culling a cull he will sell it because it's out of a special bird or line of birds.
2) Same as above but will sell anything from anybody to anybody even if the bird is a cull with or without paper.
There are other examples and not everyone that sells pigeons is a feather merchant. They cost money to maintain and a guy will sell birds to buy feed and supplies. As always when buying pigeons , buyer beware......Glenn
Last Edited by glenn on Feb 25, 2006 6:34 PM
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birdman
126 posts
Feb 25, 2006
8:22 PM
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George,
I would add to what Glenn posted, that a feather merchant probably doesn't even fly the birds. Only in it for the $$$.
Russ
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
496 posts
Feb 25, 2006
8:33 PM
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George, a grownup who sells crappy, sick and diseased birds and tells some kid how good they are, as happened to me more than once when I was a kid.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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upcd
158 posts
Feb 25, 2006
9:35 PM
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When a breeder sells birds he should be honest. If it is a cull tell the person why it is a cull. For example, It doesn't roll many times. It won't kit with the other birds. It hits the ground. Or has bad marking. Is infertal or can't raise it's young. May it is overly aggressive. Now if it is a unproven baby then you need to see the parents preform. If it is sold as a male or female. then that what you should get. As a breeder bird it has to have had young and raised them to weaning. A cull should should be the cheapest. Then unproven young. Proven hen or male. Proven Breeder. Pricing starts at free and goes up hundreds of dollars for a bird.
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Vibey
23 posts
Mar 03, 2006
7:54 PM
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Can we just Cull the Feather Merchants ??? lmao
Wouldn't that make life easier??
Vibey
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Opinionated Blowhard
15 posts
Mar 03, 2006
11:52 PM
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Here are some signs that warn you that your dealing with a feather merchant:
He advertizes rollers for sale, but never enters a fly competition.
When you ask him about his birds performances, he starts talking about there pedigrees or how good there grandparents were or the man who bred there grandparents.
When there is a group of pigeon people, like at a competition or a show or a meeting and a newbie shows up, the feather merchant will soon have the newbie in the corner, bragging that he has the best pigeons and offerring the newbie pigeons before the other pigeon men have a chance to give some for free.
A feather merchant keeps a loft for his own breeders and another loft of breeders to breed pigeons to sell.
A feather merchant has all the answers in conversation or in writing, but has nothing but excusses on fly day.
A feather merchant has young bird kits for sale all during the breeding season, not just at the beginning or the end of his own breeding season.
A feather merchant will be surrounded by newbies as his friends, not experienced roller fly'ers.
When you talk to people who have bought the feather merchants pigeons, almost all of them will be in the hobbie less than 3 years and have not flown competition.
A feather merchant buys several hundred bands every year.
When you ask other pigeon people about how good are the feather merchants pigeons, they change the subject.
Kevin
Last Edited by Opinionated Blowhard on Mar 03, 2006 11:57 PM
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Mongrel Lofts
146 posts
Mar 04, 2006
8:45 AM
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Kevin,
Great points.. I would add, when a guy sells birds because of the color of a feather, not the quality of roll. He might be a feather merchant?
When a man thinks every thing he breeds is worth selling or breeding because of its back ground even if he knows its a cull in the air.. He might be a feather merchant?
If a man breeds more birds than he could ever fly properly and has birds for sale year round.. He might be a feather merchant?
If a guy has all kinds of breeds of pigeons and is always looking for more,, He might be a feather merchant?
If you talk to a man about rollers and no matter what line of birds you bring up, he has some of those for sell.. He might be a feather merchant?
If a man finds honor in not competing and brags about not knowing his birds heritage, You might be a feather merchant?
If a man has over 20 pairs of rollers together for each breeding season, he might be a feather merchant?
If while talking to a guy about rollers, you feel a slight tugging at your wallet, He might be a feather merchant?
If while your kit is in the air rolling hard and a man has some newbies looking down at his pedigree book and pictures of his birds for sale,, He might be a feather merchant?
And Kevin as you pointed out, and the number one clue of the feather merchant,, If a guy bands 3 to 5 hundred birds a year and still doesn't fly in competition, You know for a fact, Your dealing with a feather merchant!!
JUST MY OPINION, MONGREL LOFTS
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Ballrollers
291 posts
Mar 04, 2006
3:31 PM
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Kevin, Kenny,
Excellent posts! I know there are a lot of men who wish they would have had the benefit of these precautionary words (including myself) It would save a lot of wasted money, time and energy in the hobby, and probably a bunch of potential flyers as well.Ken-now this is a thread that needs to copied and discussed on some of the other lists!!! Even better...Ken, why don't you write something like this up for Gonzalo to include in the new member kit for the NBRC? He's looking for ideas. And many of us on these lists have already been burned. It's the new guys that we need to reach....agreed?
YITS, Cliff
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
415 posts
Mar 04, 2006
3:50 PM
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"A feather merchant buys several hundred bands every year."
I buy two hundred bands from our club each year, does that make me a feather merchant?
"If a guy has all kinds of breeds of pigeons and is always looking for more,, He might be a feather merchant?"
I also raise Wests, Helmets and American Rollers, does that automatically make me or guys like me a feather merchant?
"If a man has over 20 pairs of rollers together for each breeding season, he might be a feather merchant?"
I've bred from more than 20 pair for the last five years. 23 pair together this year. Does that automatically make me a feather merchant? because of the number of pairs I breed from?
Don't you have to actually sell rollers to be a feather merchant?
Brian
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motherlodelofts
621 posts
Mar 04, 2006
3:53 PM
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"A feather merchant buys several hundred bands every year."
I buy two hundred bands from our club each year, does that make me a feather merchant?
"If a guy has all kinds of breeds of pigeons and is always looking for more,, He might be a feather merchant?"
I also raise Wests, Helmets and American Rollers, does that automatically make me or guys like me a feather merchant?
"If a man has over 20 pairs of rollers together for each breeding season, he might be a feather merchant?"
I've bred from more than 20 pair for the last five years. 23 pair together this year. Does that automatically make me a feather merchant? because of the number of pairs I breed from?
Don't you have to actually sell rollers to be a feather merchant?
Brian
Bro you need a girl friend BAAAAAAADLY LOL LOL
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Mar 04, 2006 3:54 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
416 posts
Mar 04, 2006
7:40 PM
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Got one, and a six and seven pound LMB today too? How about you?
Brian
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Alohazona
119 posts
Mar 06, 2006
8:46 AM
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A feather merchant to me,is some disassociated with what they are selling,and that can be several different levels, or just one you might find distasteful.The image in my head is the person that picks up a bird haphazardly by two wings, presents the bird, and then shoves it back in its pen with a blank stare.All the while not describing the accurate qualitys of the bird,not treating the animal with respect.
Someone who sells birds without proving them out to be what they are bred for is not acceptable,but taking into consideration they keep in contact fanciers that are flying close relatives and recieving feedback ,is noteworthy.
Keep in mind it is very hard to find good rollers,almost impossible.When you do find good rollers its up to you not to mismanage them ,and prove them out to your standard.I have had birds from top fanciers that did not work out and I have had stray rollers trap into my loft,worth their weight in gold.Aloha,Todd
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