rust never sleeps
31 posts
Mar 17, 2006
8:39 PM
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 This picture of CRC 114-1994 lavender black tick cock is the foundation of my lavender family i'm building. Was on loan to me for one year.His pedigree go's all the way back to Howard McCully and Bill Pensom.Bred 5 youngsters on 2 different hens from CRC cock, air test his offsping one was a red ash self that came into the roll at 11 months was going to cull her because no action.that bird out of a kit of 30 was tight in the roll 25' good speed i thought i stray in someone else pigeon she turn out to be cock. Stock after that bird was lost one day came back with blood in the eye. CRC cock other son was a lavender bald red bar w/w came in to the roll at 10 months fast pigeon 25 to 30' stock. This blood comes into the roll late which i do not like but i can live with. p.s. is it true the pensoms come into the roll late 12 to 15 months?
Last Edited by rust never sleeps on Mar 17, 2006 8:48 PM
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motherlodelofts
658 posts
Mar 18, 2006
8:36 AM
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Rust,that one I don't like , looks to "hot" ,could just be the pic also.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Mar 18, 2006 8:37 AM
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rust never sleeps
32 posts
Mar 18, 2006
4:33 PM
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Scott! well he's very old cock had him for one year, 2 of his offspring were good very good the other 3 were not, culled. But i got to start from the ground on up to make lavenders.
Last Edited by rust never sleeps on May 19, 2006 10:24 PM
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glenn
12 posts
Mar 19, 2006
8:11 AM
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What does this post have to do with Cornell Norwood?
Glenn
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Velo99
279 posts
Mar 19, 2006
9:17 AM
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Why would you base a family on a color?
Just don`t seem logical. Best to best not color to color..
In MY loft anyway.
Performance is the standard not color.
YITS
Kenny H
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spinnerdom
20 posts
Mar 19, 2006
2:18 PM
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most us birds im told are p/
if so they are all over the ball park, early. late.some 2yrs.
i like your bird . but too long in leg .and rolldown eyes also a little large. but sort the genes.you can win
jim 3/19/06
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rust never sleeps
33 posts
Mar 19, 2006
8:41 PM
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Glenn! 114 was bred from cornell's brother up in north calif. he did confer his pedigree to norwood line. Kenny H. you need a lavender to make lavenders
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Mount Airy Lofts
156 posts
Mar 20, 2006
4:48 PM
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Good looking bird. The picture makes him look short for some reason.
'94 bred isn't that old is it? My Foundation Cock is a '95 bred. I have seen alot of '94 breds that resembles alot like 3 year olds but I do amitt that there are a few that do look rather old for some reason.
On a flip note, I seen a few '86 s that looks their age. When they move about, you can tell that all their joints are rusted. Looking at a current '86 Cock bird that is still filling eggs, he is barely able to fly about. You can almost feel it's pain when you see it fly about. Luckly for this '86 old, he doesn't have to raise any of his youngs or hatch any thing out. All he has to do is the sex part.
I have a Lavender Line as well. They don't produce many Lavenders but every thing bred out off pretty much traces back to J. Leroy Smith's Lavenders stuff. I like my Lavender Line even tho they don't produce that many lavenders (mostly just Ash Reds or Blacks).
Why have a Lavender Line that doesn't produces many Lavenders beats me... I guess my theory is because the blood strems from J. Leroy Smith's Lavenders and is line bred from that.
Kenny, many people just have names for certain lines. Take for example, Famous "The Red Check" line, Joe Roes Famous "Blacks", J. Leroy Smiths "Whites", etc. They are not breeding for any certain colors here, just a name they tag on a Quality Linage. It's just a name for most guys, unless you are a color breeder than that is a whole different story.
I have three names I tagg my current families: My Cock Line, My Hen Line, and My Blue Line. My cock line is my Tick family and my Lavender family - heavy J. Leroy Smith blood behind them. I call it my Cock line because it produces alot of Cocks for some reason - say 8 out of 10 youngs bred will be Cocks. Same goes for my Hen Line. 8 out of 10 will be Hens for some reason. It is next to impossible to get a stockable opposite sex from either line. Don't know why it is but just some thing I that runs true for some reason.
Thor
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nicksiders
491 posts
Mar 28, 2006
8:51 AM
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Don't tease me by posting the name of Mr. Norwood and then not having anything to say about the subject. What gives?
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
563 posts
Mar 28, 2006
9:48 AM
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Hey Nick, where you been? I figured you were probably moving??
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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nicksiders
492 posts
Mar 28, 2006
6:47 PM
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I now live in Marion, Arkansas (near Memphis, TN). It will probably take me a couple of years to unpack, but I am here.
The reason I am interested in anything about Cornell Norwood is that I have a couple of breeding hens that are suposedly pure Norwoods and they have produced very, very good off spring.
I once heard that Norwoods do not kit well and found that this statement was not accurate. I also met a nephew of Cornell who flys his uncle's family and I watched his kit of pure Norwoods and they kitted better than most.
Since Mr. Norwood is no longer living I like to hear from other breeders who fly his family of birds. I have read his book and appreciate it. I don't agree with everything he says in the book, but I don't even believe what I say all of the time(LOL).
Nick
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rust never sleeps
43 posts
Mar 28, 2006
7:46 PM
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Nick! i know very little of C. Norwood.But my friend and mentor Richard Luna years a go, inter-fuse a couple individuals to his stud of rollers that i have seen many times his kit's performance's Nick! when richard get's his computer hopefully this year you can e-mail him, he knows more history with C. Norwood,than i do. what's your e-mail address so i can pass your infro,to Richard.
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birdman
138 posts
Mar 28, 2006
7:59 PM
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Hey Nick,
Glad you are enjoying the book. I hope you packed some fishing gear to use in those Arkansas lakes and ponds.
Rollers and fishing, it doesn't get any better than that.
Good luck in your new home.
Russ
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Richard A.
81 posts
Mar 29, 2006
6:20 PM
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Cornell was a friend of mine and I do have some crosses of his in my stock, and they have become a very important part of my rollers. Richard Luna will be flying with the Mojave Performing Roller Club in the High desert this tear. We are very pleased to have him with us.
Richard Apodaca
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nicksiders
494 posts
Mar 29, 2006
10:44 PM
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Richard,
I am very happy with the birds I am getting from those two hens and as a it happens Cornell's family of rollers are a very important part of my loft as well.
Thanks,Nick
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glenn
13 posts
Mar 30, 2006
8:31 AM
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Hello Nick:
If I may ask? Who is this nephew of Cornell Norwood?
glenn
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ron
10 posts
Mar 30, 2006
9:28 AM
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Richard are you guys flying in the world cup this year?If so when are you scheduled to fly, i would like to see the MPRC teams performance.
GOOD LUCK
Ron luna (HDRC)
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nicksiders
495 posts
Mar 30, 2006
12:02 PM
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Glen,
He may have not been the nephew. I met him at Joe Urbon's house in Yuba City at the annual High Five Roller club BBQ in 2005.
His last name was Norwood and when I asked after hearing his name he admitted to being a relative of Cornell's and I thought he said he was a nephew. I have no reason to doubt him.
Thanks,Nick
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DHenderson
15 posts
Mar 30, 2006
8:16 PM
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Glen,
he is talking about Elliot, he is Cornell's brother not nephew.
Elliot came to our BBQ last year.
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glenn
14 posts
Apr 01, 2006
11:28 AM
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Thanks, Dave....Also tell Pigeon Fred I said hello......Glenn
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3757
38 posts
May 19, 2006
9:42 AM
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Rust - Just some information for you. I bred this lavender cock. His father bred until he was 19 years old. All of my breeding, for the past 25 years has been in individual pens. The father to the lavender was 301. I sold the lavender and his brother to Richard Luna. 301 was a son of Frank Lavins cock 2524 who was off of 2564/65 bred by Bill Pensom and 46 who was off of 6084 WHP/6030 WHP. The 65 hens father 3757 went to Bruce Cooper whom all my birds are from. The Elliot Norwood birds and Bruce Cooper pigeons are distant relatives. I will post a picture of the father to 114. Note: All 4 of 301's grandparents were bred by Bill Pensom. 301 was bred by Elliot Norwood.
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rust never sleeps
59 posts
May 19, 2006
10:42 PM
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 3757 Thank you for the GREAT INFORMATION and history, p.s. 114 has a grandson in my young bird kit, red check badge, green eyes cock i'll keep an eye out on his performance.
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
40 posts
May 20, 2006
5:53 AM
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RUST, AS MARVIN said "WHATS GOING ON". I hope its alright with you and the family (tell GRACE for me my thougths and prayers are with you guys-stay strong).Hows the birds?? tell DAVE AND RICH I said "what up".......talk 2-u later....R-luna
Last Edited by GREED FOR SPEED LOFT on May 20, 2006 5:53 AM
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3757
40 posts
May 20, 2006
7:29 AM
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Rust - If you need any other information let me know. What do you have him on? 114 may be a little late but the spin is worth it!!!! Good luck!
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