SJP
2 posts
Mar 22, 2006
6:05 PM
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I am an new member to this forum. I found the site while searching the net. Some very good information, so i thought i would join in. I was curious as to if anyone had a problem with a sickness to there birds. I have been flying rollers for the past 7-8 years and have never had any real sickness, other than a bird here or there. However, during the summer/fall of 05 i was loosing 2-3 birds per week. One day the bird looked perfectly healthy, the next day looked cold. The feathers would puff up and the bird would look cold. Almost like a chicken that got wet. I asked serveral rollers guys and got several different answers as to the problem? Didn't really treat with any medicines as i was not sure as to the problem. Haven't lost a bird in 2-3 months. Not sure if the problem is solved. Has any one else had this experience?
thanks,
sjp
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upcd
197 posts
Mar 22, 2006
7:40 PM
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Can I ask a few questions? Did you look down thier throats? How was thier keel or breastbone? How was thier pooh?
Thank you, Debbie
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jord
64 posts
Mar 23, 2006
7:22 AM
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about 18 months ago i kept westis and had very much the same problem i never rearly got to the bottom of the cause but like you it seemed to stop.
i treated them for about every thing going and cleaned my loft every day.
when i thought the birds were fine i gave them to a friend and hes never had any problems with them.
upcd was right if for some reason it happens again (HOPE IT DOESNT)check there mouths it could have been cancker
GOOD LUCK
JORD
Last Edited by jord on Mar 23, 2006 7:29 AM
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SJP
3 posts
Mar 23, 2006
9:04 AM
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I did check the mouths. Did not notice anything different. However, have to be honest, not sure what i should be looing for? Their droppings also appear normal as well?
Thanks for responding.
sjp
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Mount Airy Lofts
162 posts
Mar 23, 2006
10:15 AM
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Sounds like PMV.
If it is canker, it would be stomache canker. I doubt birds of that age would be dying from canker. I am plaqued with recessive traits of canker and the youngs bred would die before from canker before they reach weanning age or just after being moved to the kit box. I have not seen a bird live to be a acouple of months old and die from canker. I doubt it is canker as I have experienced other wise. Canker in the throat is seen at least twice a year in my squeeker. It is very noticalbe so you can't miss it. It will look like a yellow coat of glue inside the bird's mouth or in and around the bird's beak line.
Thor
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upcd
201 posts
Mar 23, 2006
11:58 AM
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There was this thing going around. When I looked down thier throats. They looked normal except for a clear thick mucus, Kind of like ours. Runny stools. Bird get warmer, then became cold. Like it couldn't hold it temp. up. Antibotic were not any use. They say it may have been a fungus. Who knows? Some diseases take birds down quickly. Anything could have done.
Last Edited by upcd on Mar 23, 2006 11:59 AM
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SJP
4 posts
Mar 23, 2006
12:00 PM
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THOR, GOOD POINT
MAJORITY OF THE BIRDS ARE OLDER.YOUNG BIRDS AND KIT BIRDS APPEAR FINE. THERE IS NO OBVIOUS SIGNS OF GLUE LIKE MATERIAL IN THE MOUTH. IT DOES APPEAR TO BE PMV. WHAT IS THE EASIEST CURE FOR THIS? IF ANY?
THANKS,
SJP
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Mount Airy Lofts
164 posts
Mar 23, 2006
4:12 PM
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SJP,
I'm no expect nor do I claim to be. I have seen some of the worst case of PMV or Parathypiod. It will and has wriped out many top birds.
Here is what I have been told and live by: any bird that shows signs, kill it.
To my knowledge there is no cure for PMV or Parathyiod. There are vacs to prevent it but no cure.
It seems like the disease is creeping up.
Mice, introducing a disease carrying bird, or poor house keeping will cause such disease to crop up and run wild.
Some guys with this disease will aviod breeding their birds for a year or two totally because the stress that comes along will usually kill.
Just something to think about,
Thor
I don't cure any sick bird that shows a serious disease. They are scarficed to save the rest.
I have a friend who introduced two droppers - chinesse punks (I believe they were). After a week or so, he noticed his birds started dropping dead or going light. He ended up killing thousands of dollars worth of breeders to save any that didn't show the signs. He raises racing homers.
Of course, if you care to save your birds... go right ahead. I am not the expert and thrus far, my way has worked for me. You can ask Foy's for suggestions. Foy's has a website and I have been told the fellow is very helpful.
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SJP
5 posts
Mar 23, 2006
4:28 PM
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Thor,
Thanks for the great information. I agree with you. I don't beleive there is a cure for a sick bird. You may prevent, however, very difficult to save a bird that is very weak. As I mentioned earlier, you can talk to 5-10 different guys and get 5-10 different methods of curing. However, this all cost money. So i decided to let nature take it's course. I lost many good birds. Some times i wonder if this was a wise decisions? I have birds that are 6-12 years old that look as though they are 1-2 years old? Why don't these birds show any signs of illness?
Thanks,
SJP
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quick spin loft
2 posts
Mar 23, 2006
4:46 PM
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Hi
I had the close to same problem I tried several different things was talking Ed at Siegals pigeon supply he ask me if I had mice in my loft I said no. Then one day I moved a nestbox in the corner and guess what I found but a mouse. I treated for Paratyphoid found a quarter size hole in a corner closed it and problem went away. Ed has a help desk for help such as this 1-337-276-4114 give him a call he knows alot about diseases
Ron
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upcd
202 posts
Mar 23, 2006
4:59 PM
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Vacciatation maybe given for the uncurable diseases. 50 doses PVM for Less than $25.00 mailed to your house from jedds. They have a 3 in 1 vaccine 100 doses for $99. That is is a good amount to give boosters and covers Parathyriod and poxes too.
Last Edited by upcd on Mar 23, 2006 5:01 PM
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SJP
6 posts
Mar 23, 2006
5:52 PM
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Ron,
Very good information. Now that i think about it,my problems started when i found a mouse in my feed this past summer (05). I buy feed 200lbs at a time a store in heavy 50 gallon barrells. However, i found two little mouses at the bottom of the feed barrell. This is when my problems started, coincidence? I don't know.
uped,
Thanks for the information on the medicines. That is cheap enough. Should a give to the birds prior to any more sickness, or wait till another one get sick. Hopefully this doesn't happen.
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SJP
8 posts
Mar 23, 2006
6:35 PM
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O. Blowhard,
Thanks for the information. However, i understood what upcd was saying. We all make mistakes with the spelling, especially with techinical names. Hope this doesn't turn out to be a "spelling bee".
Thanks,
SJP
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upcd
203 posts
Mar 23, 2006
6:52 PM
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I don't know what it is but spelling and arranging numbers can cause me problems. But we can agree on one thing and it's a love of pigeons.
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SJP
10 posts
Mar 23, 2006
7:26 PM
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upcd,
I hear you. I second that.
SJP
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Swamp Fox
52 posts
Mar 24, 2006
6:52 AM
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SJP,
There is a great thread on this forum concerning Apple Cider Vinegar. I won't reiterate on this thread, but, in my opinion, it is a great preventative. I have talked to many fanciers who use it as I do, and rarely do they have any diseases whatsoever. I believe it prevents many rodent caused diseases and many others. Also spraying your loft with Oxine is great especially for respiratory diseases. The thread I was referring to is labeled "Apple Cider Vinegar."
Marion
Last Edited by Tony Chavarria on Mar 24, 2006 11:24 AM
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SJP
13 posts
Mar 24, 2006
9:04 AM
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Marion,
Thanks alot for that information. I will find that post and read more about it. Thanks again. I think I will try that.
SJP
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J_Star
314 posts
Mar 24, 2006
11:15 AM
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If you found mice in the feed container, throw away all the feed, wash the container or better yet, get a different container that is mouse proof. What happens is the mice piss on the feed while they are in it. That is deadly to pigeons.
Get red of the mice, moisture and wetness and your problems will go away period.
Jay
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