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Once a day v.s. Twice?
Once a day v.s. Twice?
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SJP
14 posts
Mar 26, 2006
6:27 AM
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Curious as to how most flyers feed their kit birds. I have been feeding my birds once in the evening after they fly. They seem to do o.k. However, my cousin, who has the same family of birds prefers to feed twice a day, mornings and evenings. His birds do seem to perform better. However, because of his situation, he does work his birds much harder than i am able to. He does not have a family, wife, or demanding job. He is single, no children, and works 3 days on and 3 off. Therefore, has a lot more free time.
Just curious?
SJP
Last Edited by SJP on Mar 26, 2006 9:02 AM
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Alohazona
126 posts
Mar 28, 2006
8:13 AM
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My best most consistant flying was when I was flying twice a day.Trapping was better,kitting excellent,rolling was up there with our best flyers here.I think the more time you can put into them the better,but backing up on that,you have to know when they are getting tired or when things like the moult is affecting them.The manager is you and you make the birds,tempered with your selection process.I had a more of a one on one understanding with the team of birds,if 1 or 2 in the kit seemed overworked ,they were rested while others had a chance to prove themselves.The more time put in,the better you know how they will do on fly day......Aloha,Todd
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Mount Airy Lofts
167 posts
Mar 29, 2006
6:08 PM
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I don't under stand your comment. Are you saying that your buddy feeds them their full ration every time they fly or just a incliments. For example, when I fly my birds hard - three to four times in a three hour period, I would drop some milo (a small portion) for them to trap. Is this what your buddy is doing or is he/she dumping a full ration every time?
Flying them on a full stomache isn't much fun to watch. It can be dangerous as well if you can even get them to fly that is.
It is not about feeding but giving them the air time. If your buddy is pushing his birds up at least twice a day, that is one times more then you are. Of course his birds will look better. They logged in more air time. You can have the best birds in the world but if you don't put in the time, they will not put out the results. What makes this hobby so interesting is that there is no one way to handle your birds. Every one has different life styles and different free times. More you put in, the more you will get out.
Thor
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Mar 30, 2006 12:16 PM
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DHenderson
14 posts
Mar 29, 2006
9:11 PM
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As Thor says when they are very young especially it's best to fly at least daily but if you can get them up twice once in a while that is great but as Thor says you dont' feed them you only tease them a little to get them in so they don't get plugged out. If they have a full crop and water in there and they hit a spin that feed and water will fly out of their mouth in a heart beat.
It's just like any other thing, the more they practice the better they get. It's experience.
Once they start to roll hard I like to cut back to about every other day this way they have time to heal their muscles and regain their strentgh. It's very easy to roll down a good spinner by flying them too much as they'll get weaker and weaker if you are not able to rest them. You will say, "this bird is falling a part on my, must be a cull!" but in reality you have been mismanaging it and due to a weakened state the bird rolled down and might have done permanent damage.
experiment but hard spinners shouldn't be flown daily.
dave
Last Edited by DHenderson on Mar 29, 2006 9:14 PM
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SJP
15 posts
Mar 30, 2006
4:31 AM
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Thor,
No my cousin does not give full feed everytime he flys. What he does is flys every morning, calls them in with 1/2 rations. Then flys late afternoon, then calls in with the other 1/2. His birds seem to work much harder, fly better than mine do with flying later afternoon and calling them in with there full rations.
SJP
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Mount Airy Lofts
168 posts
Mar 30, 2006
12:45 PM
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Half ration still sounds alot to me but heck, if it works for him, then go for it since you have the same family.
Here's some food for thought about feeding them half or more ration if you plan on flying them again later...
They may poop while in flight and this poop may land on your neighbor's car/personal poperty. You surely will not be doing your part as a pigeon fancier if this occurs - as we get a bad enough name all ready.
As Dave H. says, I had a super fast spinning bird spin out it's feed while rolling not too long ago while flying them again for a friend. Not a good sight to see. The feed literly flew out in a circuler pattern with the bird.
I have noticed that having feed in their system will make them slugglish in the roll some times and often times make them more seldom in their performance.
It is most dangerous with birds that are on the dangerous side as they will roll down coming out.
There must be a reason why people say that they will let their birds go at least 12 hrs with out feed if pepping for a competition fly.
Here is another question, what is half ration to your buddy? Some people who can fly their birds every day can have their birds longer in rolling fit then say some one who can only fly every 3 days or so. These guys who can't fly every day use a yo - yo type feeding system. This would mean they would pump the birds up and gradually work their potion back down. It sounds pausable that your buddy has his birds in rolling fit for long periods of time from the description. If so, he may be feeding just half potion of what other guys are for his full. Say if I feed my birds 2 cups for the day, he will be feeding his 1/2 cup only. My half potion is not the same as his.
Which ever the case, it is interesting that his birds does better with half a crop full of feed. Then again, it's more about the air time if you'd ask me. Here is an example: I know two guys flying the same family of birds. One guy bred 2 rounds for himself and the 3rd round went to the other guy. The guy with the two rounds only get to fly his birds just on weekends. The other guy flys his birds at least twice a day every day. Watching them in the air, you would think that the guy with the 3rd round's bird were older as they were smoking in their roll and kitted as tight as you can get them. They were also breaking all ready. While the guy who had the first and second rounds were still just straight flying and tumbling with one or two in the group that was rolling. Just something to think about...
Thor
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siddiqir
178 posts
Mar 30, 2006
12:55 PM
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Hello, I fly my birds after returning from work (evening time around 6:00 PM). I heard birds fly and perform better in the morning and I agree with. The reason is simply slow morning breeze, less dust in the air and I believe pigeons like to be in air in the morning. I can not do morning fly because of my schedule. I feed 1 cup mix (wheat/milo/peas) / 10 birds. If it get very hot little less feed and thing work out just fine for me.
Thanks, -Rauf
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J_Star
339 posts
Mar 30, 2006
6:55 PM
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SJP,
Do you know what feed is your cousin providing his birds? What if he is giving them stimulant feed and not telling you? Oily based feed will stimulate the birds...Just food for thought...
When you give the birds 1/2 ration in the morning, the next fly in the late evening the birds will not want to trap fast enough and want to lounge around outside for a while. Been there done that.
Is it possible that he is giving the birds small amounts of small seeds such as Canary seeds so they can trap in the morning and when you observe the fly in the evening after work you see a great performance due to the small oily seed was digested fast and they trap quickly.
So, if his birds lounge around in the evening, then he is being truthful, if not do more investigation quitely and you will find why.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Mar 30, 2006 7:39 PM
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ranger632
14 posts
Mar 30, 2006
7:14 PM
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Every one is missing the main point. Buy your cousin a drink, he has it made.
ranger632
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