spinnerdom
102 posts
Mar 28, 2006
7:12 AM
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WING LOADING; butt the front of a wing.to the tip
i put the wing to the wall draw around it,this looks like a aeroplane cut open on the short side.put ruler long ways and mark off. your wings may be 10" and back. what style do you have per inch and progresstion of an inch.every one get involved ,we will make short work of this research.
side views and under views to wing loading,should be fun.
lets see what we can learn
jim
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Mar 28, 2006 7:16 AM
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spinnerdom
132 posts
Apr 01, 2006
7:50 AM
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a lot of learning here[ participation required ]
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motherlodelofts
708 posts
Apr 01, 2006
8:03 AM
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Jim personaly I don't care for nor breed large birds but I have seen some that looked like crows that could wrap it up into exceptional qaulity.
Proper size depends on proportion and there is nothing "fixed" in inches.
Scott
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spinnerdom
133 posts
Apr 01, 2006
9:10 AM
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wrong answer sorry ,no browny point for you.
measure your birds.get back to us,facts needed.
thanks jim
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motherlodelofts
709 posts
Apr 01, 2006
9:22 AM
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Not to concerned about your "test" Jim , like I said I don't breed large birds but I have seen them roll with exceptional qaulity when all is within a balanced proportion and they have what it takes.
I will measure to humor you but rest assured the determining factor will be the balanced proportion depending on the size of the bird.
Scott
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spinnerdom
134 posts
Apr 01, 2006
10:00 AM
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stan has a bird as big or bigger an a crow,i keep asking why is it still here,he said i fly it for you.you will know why.
to me it will take 10 yrs, to get to a size that i like.the genes are there.
just not for me.
jim
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J_Star
349 posts
Apr 01, 2006
6:04 PM
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Jim,
My birds come in two sizes, very small and elongated. doesn't the small size bird would have shortter wings than the elongated ones? If so how would that leads to anything.
If the shorter wing makes a difference, then why don't we just cut an inch from the tip of the flight feather and shorten the wing that way. The bird would still fly and perform just fine...Would it make a difference in performance?
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Apr 01, 2006 6:07 PM
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motherlodelofts
711 posts
Apr 01, 2006
8:53 PM
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LOL Jay , that should work !! or just start pulling flights until you the desired length, and "walla" LOL
By the way I did measure the wings , just a quicky throwing a tape on the wing leangth.
I did find it interesting that they did average 10 " longest I grabbed was just under 11" shortest was 9" or so and many were right around the 10 ".
I did learn something as far as general knowledge goes but I sure wouldn't not stock a bird because it was an in short or a inch long when it comes to the ten inches.
Wing proportion still evolves around size.
My birds range from small to mediam , I don't care for real small birds but if they were small and strong verses small and weak I wouldn't hesitate useing them, larger type birds allways tend to be strong and stiff in my birds.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Apr 01, 2006 9:23 PM
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spinnerdom
136 posts
Apr 02, 2006
6:20 AM
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jay tshtsh.ida tida at 4"prbum gou 2 tigetr wirt godum
well your on the rd 10" man thats big
the hens are 9" good start,now side and under views,
you may have something going for against the hawks?
tony can this have a place some where,this research project may take awhile.
Last Edited by spinnerdom on Apr 02, 2006 6:27 AM
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Planet_Rock_Lofts
14 posts
Apr 02, 2006
3:09 PM
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What?
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J_Star
350 posts
Apr 02, 2006
6:18 PM
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Jim, what the hell was that? I thought you are going to stop this crap. Next time I am gonna think you are cussing at me and I am gonna cuss you back. No need for that criptic stuff because no one understand it. Thanks. So, brake my criptic code: "Inta majnoon. Kharabishak hade rah tohutak fe bait alkelab."
Scott, I thought people would get humored out of that. Just snip the wings and you are in business. And BTW, my small birds are strong with brains and consinstency.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Apr 02, 2006 6:37 PM
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spinnerdom
143 posts
Apr 03, 2006
11:14 AM
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jay;i had a problem at 4"glue 2 together work good
this looks like indian regular langue
jim
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motherlodelofts
712 posts
Apr 03, 2006
2:10 PM
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Ok Jim I culled everything over a 9" wing , left me with 3 birds , one was a foster , one a rolldown and one is a Game Bantam hen , what now ?
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Apr 03, 2006 2:20 PM
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knaylor
150 posts
Apr 03, 2006
2:41 PM
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Scott, those three have to go too. They are not axel type rollers. LOL Kevin
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J_Star
362 posts
Apr 03, 2006
6:26 PM
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I think Jim is trying to tell us somthing about the wing loading. It is important to him and us if it is really reasonably sound practice. Lets be patiant and somewhat serious and at the end we will determine if we really learned something and was it worth the conversation! Let us see where this going to lead. Thanks.
Jay
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knaylor
152 posts
Apr 03, 2006
7:52 PM
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Jay, I will be patient with Jim and see what he has to say when he stops playing games whith his writing. Dont you think it is strange when some times he can write really good and other times he writes with his jumble?? Plus I dissagree with his axel vs. H or A pattern rollers. Kevin
P.S. And after what he said on the other topic I have 0 respect for him!!!
Last Edited by knaylor on Apr 03, 2006 7:55 PM
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spinnerdom
144 posts
Apr 04, 2006
9:38 AM
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ridicule jim seems to be the local past time.
it seems measuring is to much for you to learn,and understand, what and were it comes from .
i already know the answers , your the ones that dont.
so i should write it all out for you ,to ridicule two.
jim
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motherlodelofts
714 posts
Apr 04, 2006
10:49 AM
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Yea Jim you have all the answers and I am nothing but a shmuck .
Measuring is meaningless whether it be wing,keel or what have you , they are either doing it right or they aren't and it evolves around the right type , and everything in the proper proportions within that type , size can vary from too small where they can't even handle a stiff breeze without being blown off , too to large where they are too strong , and everything inbetween.
What I work towards in what is inbetween these to extreams and I have enough things to look for when looking at a bird for stock without dragging out something as meaningless as a tape measure when that bird has allready shown me what is "right" as far as size and proportion.
Jim there is nothing to learn with a tape measure and will only confuse the new fliers with some magical meaningless voodoo number of of a tape measure.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Apr 04, 2006 12:39 PM
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spinnerdom
145 posts
Apr 04, 2006
1:44 PM
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im getting wiery of aguement crap;
do you know what style your birds are,i dont think you do.do you have 1 h style bird, not at any 10" you dont,afraid of your friends laughing at you,
they dont know any thing more than you do.
jim
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motherlodelofts
718 posts
Apr 04, 2006
2:02 PM
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I don't worry about anyone laughing at me Jim , I'm a flyer not a talker.
Scott Campbell
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spinnerdom
146 posts
Apr 05, 2006
6:07 AM
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you talk better than you fly,your scores,
get serious ,measure see the styles, then let everyone know.
jim
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Missouri-Flyer
929 posts
Nov 13, 2007
7:59 AM
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interesting.... Has anyone measured wing tip to wing tip to see if there are lengths that COULD be a factor in performance..I am with Scott here. If the type is right, then the bird will be proportioned in most aspects of body makeup.
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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MILO
838 posts
Nov 13, 2007
9:14 AM
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Oh God.
I thought we put this nonsense behind us.
c
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quickspin
83 posts
Nov 13, 2007
10:35 AM
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I had birds with perfect body types and some are Culls. Every one has different types and dislikes. I have big birds and small birds which all have different sizes. I believe on having a good balance on the bird but still that will not make a bird roll.
I like this Measures 90-60-90 LOL
Last Edited by on Nov 13, 2007 10:57 AM
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Missouri-Flyer
930 posts
Nov 13, 2007
10:55 AM
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you have to look BEYOND the argumentive aspect of this thread, if possible!
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Jerry
Home of "Whispering Wings Loft"
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Santandercol
1628 posts
Nov 13, 2007
9:04 PM
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Reading that is a bunch of BS.Look at the birds man after a couple years of breeding Rollers a person should be able to look at em and have a pretty good idea if that bird is a potential spinner or not.Tape measure,,,,gimme a break.I have 3 breeds in my lofts and they all differ immensely.Don't need a tape to determine that!!!JMO.No offense.
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Kelly
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