dale calvillo
9 posts
Apr 01, 2006
2:17 PM
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I know alot of times that we find a pair that click and produce us some nice spinners, but is it a good idea to continue to breed that pair every breeding season or mix them up with other mates to balance it out and make a overall family, let me know what your experiences are and the success.
Yours in the sport
Dale
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fhtfire
393 posts
Apr 01, 2006
3:31 PM
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Dale,
I have been told both ways. But I have been told by more that you keep a click pair together...never split them. The whole reason you are trying different mates is to see what hen the cock clicks with at the same time..seeing if he is a potent cock. If he is a cock that produces good birds on any hen..then by all means spread the wealth. If He is a cock that produces above and beyond on one particular hen. Then that is what it is all about. Keep the click pairs together and then pick the best young from your click pairs.
Your goal is what? to produce some good teams of rollers. The other is to find some new pairs in the breeder loft that produce the goods. So...if you have a click pair that is producing the goods...then that means you should be able to put up some good teams to make you competitive. Keep the click pair together. Click pairs are not a dime a dozen. Get as many young out of your click pairs fly them out..pick the best and breed them to the best of what you have...even maybe coming back to the original pair. I myself would keep them together...unless you have some special mating you want to try. But no more swaping around.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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birdman
140 posts
Apr 01, 2006
5:17 PM
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Hey Dale,
Are you referring to that pair I gave you? If so, then breed as many as you can from that pair as long as they are producing the goods. Some birds in this family are pre-potent and continue to pass the genes down to their young which gives you a good foundation to linebreed from. And besides, click pairs don't come easy! If you ever get tired of that pair I will gladly take them back. LOL
Russ
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J_Star
347 posts
Apr 01, 2006
5:54 PM
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Dale,
I won't break them up either. They are a gold mine cock and a producer hen when they are together. You should have a lot of fosters around to get many offspring from that pair.
Jay
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DHenderson
17 posts
Apr 03, 2006
5:38 PM
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Well for me I will try to breed as many as I can from a click pair but I will never keep them together year after year unless I decide to retire them together. If I find a hot pair I will keep them but I will also try to see if I can make one of the same birds click with something else for the sake of future breeding combinations.
I good friend of mine had a pair together for about 7 years in a row and never split them up, raised 130 birds from them with fostering. They put out a great amount of good spinners too,however when the cock was 7-8 years old he died and he was never able to get the ball rolling again. Seemed many of the kids produced birds that would roll down in he tried to inbreed them etc... It was like having a plan then bam the plan was all over and it was almost like having to figure out what to do now?
I think changing up the pairs so you are able to identify the genes you have and how they work in your breeding program is the best approach. I would also say try to help more then a few with some of your good ones just in case a disaster happens and you loose you entire loft for some reason. This way you have some insurance to fall back on.
Dave
Last Edited by DHenderson on Apr 03, 2006 5:40 PM
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motherlodelofts
715 posts
Apr 04, 2006
10:59 AM
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I'm with Dave on this one , first I am not looking for click pairs. I
'm looking for those birds that produce on whatever I put them on to some degree.
I am looking towards future stock and moving the line forward and I want to do it with pre potent type birds not by finding the right combination that only works when that combination is found.
Scott
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kcfirl
11 posts
Apr 04, 2006
11:52 AM
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I cannot beleive that you guys would ever break up a pair if it produced head and shoulders above any other pair.
If you need more genetics then breed the brothers and susters of the above birds to maintain a seprate line that can be mixed back in.
I can't say I've ever found such a pair and do tend tomix things up each year. LOL
Ken
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Opinionated Blowhard
31 posts
Apr 04, 2006
12:09 PM
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If youve tried them on other birds and they didnt produce as well as with this current mate then you leave them together. If you havent tried them on other mates then you break them up to see how they breed on other mates. After a season of testing you put them back together in future years if they produce better together than on other mates.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
459 posts
Apr 04, 2006
12:16 PM
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Only pairs I would leave together are battle cross pairs which produced great troops for the kits. Pump the hell of out them until the well goes dry.
The family birds, I move them around in hopes of seeing who the real producer is, as well as if it successful, I have half-bro sisters to use in the breeding pen.
Brian.
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J_Star
365 posts
Apr 04, 2006
12:20 PM
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It takes more than one season to be able to put them back together again. You need to produce multiple rounds from each pairing to be able to determine the possibilities. It is not as easy or simple as you think. I use the adage 'If isn't broken, don't fix it." Breed related birds from this pairing so you could create another pre-potent pair in the long run. But as always, each has his own methods and different management styles.
Jay
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motherlodelofts
716 posts
Apr 04, 2006
12:24 PM
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Ken normaly what I do is knock rounds of off other mates , and then will throw them back onto the original at either the beginning or the end of the breeding season.
Trial runs you might say.
I find that the true producers give me the highest pecentages, while the ones where I have to search for the right mate to work or "click" dont give that high of percentages no matter what , just better than nothing.
Scott
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