SJP
27 posts
Apr 07, 2006
4:59 PM
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Each year i usually change pairs, unless i find the "click pair". However, the past week i have been observing a bird that has been rolling very good. When i check my records i realized that the pair from last year i had broken up. The cock bird is much larger than what i am looking for in my birds. So i put this bird away along with some other birds that i do not like, mainly because they are "big birds". These birds were given to me from a long time breeder who decided to get out of birds mainly because of health reasons and hawk problems.
My question is this. Is it the cock, hen, or combination of the two that dominate the traits of a bird? I understand that over a period of time and good record keeping that this can be determined. The hen i have mated up with a different cock. Again i am not breeding from this cock right now. However, not sure i should get a couple of rounds from him this year. I hope everyone understands my question. Is it the cock or hen that typically caring on the good or bad traits of a bird or is it 50/50?
Thanks,
SJP
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nicksiders
510 posts
Apr 07, 2006
5:30 PM
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They both carry the bad and the good and I feel it varies from loft to loft which birds are the dominate.
In my loft the hens are dominate in the air as well as the breeding loft. I have one cock who fits in the mold of my best hens and I have started to use him as a breeder.
The cock who meets your standards can be more value because you can use the "bull in the ring" system and breed that cock to all of your hens and the mated cocks to these hens can act ast the step dad.
Now in someone else's loft the opposite could be the case which for breeding purposes could be the better senario.
I find that cock birds are more trouble and harder to handle especially once they fall in love. Hens tend to be the better kit bird because they don't mess up as much and only time they get into trouble is when a cock bird leds them astray. I often seperate my cocks and hens in different kit boxes and fly them seperatly.
Just my 50 cent worth
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Velo99
343 posts
Apr 07, 2006
5:46 PM
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SJP,
I know what you`re saying. I too have a long cast cock bird. The chicks, some have a long keel and some have a shorter keel like the mom. Problem is the shorter keeled birds ar so hot I have had them spontaneously combust in the nest and catch the breeder loft on fire.Makes a hell of a mess. I am breaking them up and gonna see what I can come up with. I have actually three mates for the cockbird.]
yits
v99
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fhtfire
408 posts
Apr 07, 2006
9:27 PM
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The size of a bird does not mean that the bird will pass it on. It is a combination of the genes that pass it on. Now..I know the bird that Kenny is talking about...because he used to be mine. He is not a tall cock he is short but real wide chest..powerfull bird. I heard that in his hay day that he was 25-30' and fast as hell..and has passed it on. But like every mating you never know what you are going to get unless you mate them. Now kenny's cock bird...That cock produced a bird that is in my A team that is way bigger then the dad and the mom..but he rolls great and is a very good bird. That pair has also produced some smaller birds. That cock for example has been on a smaller hen and produced smaller birds. Kenny is right about the hotter birds..the good thing about that pair is that if they come out one color and only one..they are really hot. All other birds are really good. Anyway...it is a myth that if you Breed a big bird with a small bird you will get big birds. Or two small birds you will get small birds...I have a pair of small birds and they had a real big bird...go figure....SO...SJP if the cock is big...breed him on different hens and see what happens..you could have a diamond sitting there. I have also had pairs that produced different quality birds in different years...one year they were mostly shallow..the next year deep...anyway...try and see. You can't base what a birds offspring is going to look like by what the parents look like....Unless you have bred from them for years..just my two cents
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
384 posts
Apr 08, 2006
8:49 PM
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When you are talking about dominant birds, there can be only one is domenant. It could be the cock or it could be the hen. The dominant roller will pass most of its trait. Don't forget the genes are passed half and half but the dominant parant passes his dominant genes. These could be good or bad.
Jay
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