knaylor
156 posts
Apr 23, 2006
2:06 PM
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Our qualifier is over. Joe Urbon won and is our only qualifier. He scored 238.29 Mike Wolden judged and did a very good job. Kevin
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birdman
157 posts
Apr 23, 2006
3:07 PM
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Congratulations Joe!
Russ
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tapp
85 posts
Apr 23, 2006
6:27 PM
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Good job Joe!!!!
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Tapp
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nicksiders
541 posts
Apr 23, 2006
7:07 PM
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I use to watch Joe's birds fly often and on certian days they are awesome. I no longer live in Yuba City and I miss seeing his birds....it was a way that I used in making sure I was managing my loft properly.
It was also nice that he was and is a good guy.
Good for Joe.
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Velo99
387 posts
Apr 23, 2006
7:09 PM
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Nice score Joe,
I heard the weather sucked,
G/L
v99
Last Edited by Velo99 on Apr 23, 2006 7:31 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
488 posts
Apr 23, 2006
7:09 PM
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Congrats Joe. You were right!..lol
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knaylor
157 posts
Apr 23, 2006
7:18 PM
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It was a very nice three days. About 1000 miles of traveling. Not sure who complained about the weather cause it was very nice. Brian, what was Joe right about?? Kevin
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motherlodelofts
745 posts
Apr 23, 2006
7:37 PM
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Joe flys some good birds and its well deserved , Brian are you still hang good in there ?
Scott
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
489 posts
Apr 23, 2006
8:50 PM
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Kevin, when Joe and I talked in the chat room a few times about our kits, he commented that he felt he had a really good chance to put up a kick butt kit. Seems he was right..lol.
Holding in second as of this evening Scott, it won't hold.
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merced guy
54 posts
Apr 23, 2006
9:14 PM
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Well done Joe, I knew you got good birds. Too bad I wasnt there to see it, and I was planning on making it too, but something came up. Good luck in the final!
thong
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fhtfire
427 posts
Apr 23, 2006
9:18 PM
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I thought the weather was good on Saturday and Sunday...I thought the the storm front was on Friday...When there is clouds moving in..the winds up high do wierd stuff on a storm front...that is most likely why Friday..Scotts kits flew on the left wing. That is why on a storm front..wildland firefighters get real jumpy...because the winds move in every direction. Makes fire very unpredictable. I checked the CDF site when I got home..the winds in our area were storm front winds. OF cours there was not much of a storm for Saturday or Sunday morning.
For you fliers...light clouds in your area and you know that there is a storm coming in and the clouds coming in are very tall and fluffy and dark...and the front of the clouds are shaped like a big Anvil...use caution if you fly. When I was at Scotts..I notice the clouds coming from the West had the Anvil showing...that means the winds in front of the storm clouds are moving every wich way up high. that is why the clouds are very tall and fluffy and the anvil shows..the winds are going up and moving all over the place.. It is like a verturie in front of the coulds.. It can be totally calm down low...makes firefighters...get a little jumpy.
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by fhtfire on Apr 23, 2006 9:21 PM
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knaylor
158 posts
Apr 23, 2006
9:30 PM
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Heres how it went:
Judge: Mike Wolden
1-Joe Urbon #1- (Q-1.3,D-1.3) 238.29
2-Chuck Roe- (Q-1.2, D1.2) 131.04
3-Paul Fullerton-(Q-1.4, D1.5) 98.7
4-Ken Firl-(Q-1.2, D1.3) 65.52
5-Don Siggins-(Q-1.1, D-1.1) 24.2
6-Harold Marshall #1-(Q-1.1, D-1.1) 18.15
7-Dwight Wallace-(Q-1.3, D-1.2) 15.6
8-Scott Cambell #2-(Q-1.1, D1.1) 12.1
9-Joe Gathier-(Q-1.1, D-1.1) 6.05
10-Bill Crider #1-(Q-1.0, D-1.0) 5
11-Beverly Mangue- 0
12-Joe Urbon #2- 0
13-Scott Cambell #1-DQ
14-Jose Riviera-DQ
15-Bill Crider-DQ
16-Harold Marshall #2-DNF
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nicksiders
544 posts
Apr 23, 2006
9:36 PM
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Paul,
I see you had the deeper birds. I remember my visit at your place and I was impressed with your deep spinners especially that dark chicken you had flying. Was that bird in your kit on this day?
Nick
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fhtfire
428 posts
Apr 23, 2006
11:04 PM
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Nick,
No, that Black Chicken was not in the team. He really got a little stiff on me about 3 weeks before the fly and I pulled him. He was disrupting the team a little. I dropped him to the B-team and dropped the wheat and milo to him and he came right back to his old form about 3 days before the comp. So I did not want to add him so close to the team....My team had some hardship the last couple of weeks before the fly. I lost 3 birds about 4 weeks before the fly and had to move up some new birds....then I lost three more. Six birds I lost going into the home stretch of training. I am reallly happy with my score under the circumstances. There was a lot of roll...but the timing was off..pretty typical when you have to move birds around...well...I will just pick up the pieces..breed like hell..I hope to have two teams together for the Fall Fly...6 birds in the team...were October November hatches that I had to move over..So I will dust myself off and give it a whirl in October!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
Miss you man!!!
I am glad Joe did well too!! real nice guy!
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Ballrollers
334 posts
Apr 24, 2006
8:03 AM
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Good score, Joe! Nice showing, Paul. Scott, what happened with the DQ again? Did you break them down too much you think? I only ask because I have had mine on milo for a week and on Thursday and Friday birds were coming down early. I was getting worried. They feel in good shape, though. Then Saturday and Sunday, they flew perfectly. All kitted well, worked well and flew for 45 minutes and no early landers. Too bad the judge wasn't there! I'm not sure I can hold them on the edge and am concerned about that DQ since I don't fly until Thursday, but we might be getting a break in the Carolinas with a cool front moving through on Wednesday. That 85-90 degrees will bring them down in a hurry! YITS, Cliff
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J_Star
418 posts
Apr 24, 2006
8:26 AM
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Cliff, I know you stated the question to Paul and Scott, but I've been flying mine for 10 days on Milo alone and been given me 45 min to an hour with good fly hight. Maybe you need to give a little more feed.
They were giving me an hour, when I cut feed down, they are giving 45 min. I am continuing on cutting feed down to give 30 min.
Jay
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knaylor
159 posts
Apr 24, 2006
9:11 AM
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With all the bad weather we had the past month plus (20 plus days of straight rain) it was hard for everyone to get birds ready. We only had the week of the fly with good weather. That is why the scores were low. Most guys lock them down during the winter (due to preditors) and it takes some time to get them back into shape. The bad weather made it real hard on most of the flyers to get them where they wanted them to be. Plus due to the way we judge we usually do not get the really big number of points in a fly. Kevin
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Ballrollers
335 posts
Apr 24, 2006
9:34 AM
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Kevin, I'm sure that the earlier fly date didn't help either. Just for the record, do you know why the date was moved a month earlier? I know a lot of guys will be asking when we fly this week. YITS, Cliff
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Ballrollers
336 posts
Apr 24, 2006
9:43 AM
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Jay, Thanks for the input. I've been giving them 1 1/2 Vienna Sausage cans for the 20 birds. Those cans are less than a cup. I had bumped it up to two when they flew better, so I think you are right about the amount. I have to be careful. Usually they will start bumping more on milo, without any protein. This family needs a little more protein than most. The big decision, now, is whether to rest them two days or one day before the fly. Sometimes, their teamwork weems to deteriorate with more outflying if they are not flown every day. What do you think? YITS, Cliff
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Shaun
357 posts
Apr 24, 2006
10:19 AM
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Cliff, that Vienna Sausage thing - is that a new international unit of measurement? In England, whilst ideally we'd like to continue with good old pounds and ounces, we've had to conform to the European metric system. I suppose it does have its merits, yet I wonder... perhaps the new international unit of measurement shoud be the Vienna Sausage? What do you think?
How you doing, by the way?
Shaun
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knaylor
160 posts
Apr 24, 2006
10:21 AM
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cliff, the finals being moved didnt affect our region at all. I do know that it did affect other regions. Why it was moved I do not know. I have asked the question myself. Kevin
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Ballrollers
337 posts
Apr 24, 2006
12:24 PM
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Shaun,
Yep; the Vienna Sausage can system of measurement was passed down to me from an old roller man who said it was the perfect amount of feed for an eleven-bird kit! Damned if he wasn't right! LOL! I never ate the darned things before, but now every time I need a new measuring cup, it's off to the supermarket! They make great bait for the racoon trap, too!
I'm doing great, Shaun. I moved into a new place about a couple months ago and moved all the kit boxes and flying birds. I lost two A-kit birds in the process of settling them, but filled in with B-kit prospects. The new place is a much better place to fly....no trees (the lofts are in an open horse pasture) and I have only seen one Cooper's hawk since we arrived. I have had no attacks since I moved. I have two 15-bird kits and one 28-bird kit of '06 birds that are kitting well and flying the time; lots of action, but no spinning yet. But the flying pattern is much more relaxed and slow, figure-eight for the youngsters. The old birds ('05) seem to fly around an imaginary tree when they land that is no longer next to the kit box! As I mentioned above, our WC Regionals start Wednesday and I fly on Thursday. I took the second half of the week off work to get around and see Jay Yandle, Joe Bob, Clay and some of the other guys fly. With guys like that to compete against, my only expectations are to score some points and have a great time! It will be a great week! I'm psyched! I'm up for WC Regional Director, NBRC President Juan Navaro has asked me to be the National Fly Director for the Fall Fly this year, and we are hosting the NBRC National Convention here in '07! So I've got just a few things on my plate! That doesn't leave much time for those great debates we used to have! LOL! Oh well, that makes Jay's job easier!
How are those Mason's producing for you?
YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Apr 24, 2006 1:00 PM
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motherlodelofts
746 posts
Apr 24, 2006
7:15 PM
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Cliff my problem was that I flew crap LOL , I lost my A team and these yearlings just havn't had any fly time for the past two months , they landed early because I tried to treat them like old birds (my fault) plus they been looking terrible as far as qaulity so landing early just ended early what is ugly anyway.
I flew this year just to support the fly , luckily I stocked three birds right before the last overfly including one of the best, a three year old hen , so not all was lost.
I did loose a cock that would have gone to stock right after this fly though.
I think come Fall I will be back in the game ,knock on wood.
Scott
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J_Star
421 posts
Apr 24, 2006
7:16 PM
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Cliff,
That is a tough question to answer. But if things are working good for you, then don't change a thing. If you've been flying them everyday, then your birds look forward for their flight. If I were you I will not rest them and look at the day of comp as a regular exercise flight day for them. I don't know your birds and how they behave; I would not change what I was doing just because it is comp time. The birds don't know that and they only know the time of day is near when it is around the time you fly them everyday and they look forward to that time. At least my birds do. There you have it, and I know it is different than what you were thinking. But from past experience, I found the rollers are creatures of habits and their flight schedule become part of their habit and that is when you get the most out of them. That doesn't mean you need deny giving them a break now and then and you will know when they need it by the change of their flight pattern, becoming stiffs or sloppy. Best of luck to you in the upcoming comp.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Apr 24, 2006 7:20 PM
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Shaun
358 posts
Apr 24, 2006
11:26 PM
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Good luck on all you've got going on there, Cliff.
I'm starting to churn out the Masons in decent numbers at the moment, now winter's over. I lost a couple to a local sparrowhawk, which has spoiled the occasional day for me. But, I can't complain, really. The Masons start tumbling at 6 weeks and one pulled a really nice roll, yesterday. When I checked it's age afterwards, it was exactly 9 weeks.
Shaun
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Ballrollers
338 posts
Apr 25, 2006
7:15 AM
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Scott,
Tough break on your A-kit. Jay is in about the same boat as you....lost and gave away his A-kit since last Fall and is flying to support the WC, primarily. I'm starting to see just how tough this conpetition game is. Two more birds from my A-kit rolled coming in to land. An excellent black hen broke her neck on the edge of the kit box and a cock hit the roof and has an eye the size of a marble. So, I'm down to eighteen, and several of those are B-kit replacements of A-kit birds that have been lost for one reason or another. You know, it's funny how you fly these birds all year, day in and day out and they do just great. Then you try to get ready for the comp and all hell breaks loose!!
YITS, Cliff
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Ballrollers
339 posts
Apr 25, 2006
7:34 AM
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Jay,
Funny you should mention it, 'cause I was thinking the same thing. Why not fly them under routine conditions? How many times have I stood under them during routine feeding and flying saying, I sure wish a judge was scoring them now? Then comes time for competition and we change their diet, thin them down, change their flying routine, and they start bumping and you lose birds, or you risk a DQ. And I have seen it happen to guys of all experience and skill levels. Something just doesn't seem right with that picture! So anyway, I have decided to compromise and rest them only one day. We'll see what happens. If it's a disaster, then next year I'm not changing anything!
YITS,
Cliff
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Ballrollers
340 posts
Apr 25, 2006
7:39 AM
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Shaun,
First spin at 9 weeks?? Man, in my family, any bird that starts to spin that early starts to worry me about developing into a roll down. I have one that is rolling frequent 10 footers at 12 weeks of age, that I'm a little concerned about! Are you sure that's a sparrowhawk (kestral) that is taking your birds? Here in the states, that's unheard of. They are smaller than a pigeon and their diet consists mainly of grasshoppers and mice.
YITS,
Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Apr 25, 2006 7:41 AM
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Shaun
359 posts
Apr 25, 2006
8:15 AM
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Cliff, I have no worries about the Masons coming into the roll early; it's what they do. They're a pretty stable family, so I see the early roll as a bonus. As for these predators, the European hawks are a different kettle of fish to those in the US. The kestrel over here, is the one which hovers, always on the lookout for small animals and birds. The sparrowhawk is the problem. Actually, it's the female which is the problem, as it's much bigger than the male. This nasty lady hangs around in trees and picks off weaker specimens - including young pigeons. I stood and watched it happen; it was only half the height of a house when it came up behind my roller and grabbed it from behind. But, it has to be said, even that female is only about one and a half times the size of a fully grown roller. I've discussed this at length with other UK flyers and the consensus is that it's the peregrine falcon which attacks from above, whilst it's the female sparrowhawk which hangs around your garden, flying at no great height at all, on the lookout for an easy meal.
Shaun
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Ballrollers
341 posts
Apr 27, 2006
6:54 PM
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Jay, Scott, Shaun, Kevin, Guys,
Well, our regionals are in full swing. Today's flyers flew in a steady downpour. Both of Jay's kits DQ'd in the rain; one only 15 seconds from flying the time with over 300 points. The leader is in at 390 pooints with the heavy hitters Clay and Joe Bob yet to fly. My inexperience with competition jumped up and bit me in the ass today. I had two questionable birds after a good hen bumped coming in last Sunday and broke her neck, bringing me down to 19 birds. Another hit the loft coming in and injured an eye. But on Monday, he flew the time and performed well so I decided to leave him in after two days rest....big mistake. After he completed his first good spin, he made a bee-line for the loft and landed after two circles over the loft with the kit. His eye was swollen again. Scratch one bird. An Indigo hen was questionable because of her depth and work rate, she had a hard time keeping up with the kit. But the last week of training, she kitted great and was raaely out. Well, after breaking her down, she rolled her ass off and was out most of the time and with the injured bird down, I couldn't score though the other 17 performed very well. !9 dismal points! What a dissappointment! But I learned a lot. DON'T FLY QUESTIONABLE BIRDS, DUMMY! Nearly every kit flown so far, has paid the price for flying a deep bird or two that couldn't keep up with the kit, costing them a number of breaks. So, circle the wagons and get ready for the Fall Fly! Chalk this one up to experience. I'm looking forward to the rest of the weekend with the heavy-hitters! YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Apr 27, 2006 7:03 PM
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knaylor
162 posts
Apr 28, 2006
8:44 AM
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Cliff, welcome to the world of flying Comp>>> LOL. Levin
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