hardtimekenl2
1 post
Apr 27, 2006
2:14 PM
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i have just been letting one cock bird out he will fly about 5 to 10 min. he makes big circles by he does not try to roll at all .will just one roll or do i put more out with him.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
499 posts
Apr 27, 2006
3:55 PM
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More, lots more. If a bird flys by himself and rolls, he is an involuntary roller overwhelmed by the roll stimulus. Rollers were bred to fly together in a kit and will perform their best win flown in this manner.
Brian.
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hardtimekenl2
2 posts
Apr 27, 2006
4:08 PM
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ok i am just geting started and do not have that meany to turn out right know . but by fall if it gos well with babys i will see .i have read on here that 11 to 18 is a good number to turn out. i will see
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Velo99
397 posts
Apr 27, 2006
5:33 PM
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I flew 8 birds for 6 months. I called it the learning curve. I learned a lot flying just that many. How to distinguish birds in the air. Roll patterns. Out birds etc. It is easier to see 8 birds thatn 20 .you
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Alohazona
144 posts
Apr 27, 2006
6:09 PM
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I find that if you fly two kits of 10 or 12 for awhile,then at some point combine the two there is a good result.A majority of my birds are black selfs or rec.red wctf,in other words harder to distinguish in a larger kit.A double kitbox or better yet a triple kitbox will serve you well when birds need to be graded and sorted based on their development..Aloha,Todd
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Mount Airy Lofts
201 posts
Apr 27, 2006
6:18 PM
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Believe it or not, it takes alot of air time to get a bird into the roll. Most beginners think that all birds are born rolling right off the nest with little or no air time needed.
Most guys who sells birds for 5 bucks a piece is either selling you junk or a super nice guy. People who give birds free of charge is most likely trying to grain another flier in his area and thrus spreading the wealth. Why? Because the hours he had put into one old bird is priceless. Think about spending at least 1 hour per day for the first 5 months (atleast), then 1 hour every other day or so for the remainner. Let us say if the bird you have your eye on is a 3 year old, do the math of time the owner spent getting the bird where it is. What price would some one put on a bird they spent hundreds of hours developing. Many times, most guys are lucky to get .01 dollar/per hour for their bird.
The point is, it takes alot of time and refining to get it to do what it is suppose to do. Take the hawks, over flies, etc. and it is near impossible now a days. A quality bred bird most likely inherited the correct performance attributes. Give this bird the air time and the correct trainning and it should bring forth the performance it has inheritted.
Let's say your bird has never been flown. It may or may not be a young bird. Don't expect much until you have flown it for a minunim of 5 months for a hour EVERY DAY. Some familys will take longer to develop. If so, don't expect to see ANY THING until 10 months of EVERY DAY flying (at least 1 hour). The rule of thumb is the more times you fly them in a day, the faster they should develop. Say your birds are known to start rolling at 6 months old, fly them twice a day and you should see them rolling at 3 to 4 months old.
It takes alot of patience in this hobby. Your birds are only as good as the time you have spent on them.
If it was bred from performance stock, you should start seeing some thing in a couple of months.
Here is what I have found:
Younger birds will take longer to develop. The reason may be that they need to develop the brains to institute the performance.
Older birds that were barely flown as young birds (1 year to 2 years old) will start rolling in about a month of hard flying. I have found that I can get all the birds rolling by the 3 month of hard flying. Of course, my birds are known to be early developing (start rolling from 4-6 months old).
Old birds that were barely flown (3 plus years old) will usually not turn out if at all. If they do roll, they can't hold any quality. Kitting is the main problem with such birds.
Good luck with that bird. It takes alot of flying time. You should see it gradually fly longer and longer as the trainning continues. A good sign is to see it start tail riding. Once that happens, it shouldn't be long before it starts to string the flips.
Thor
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nicksiders
549 posts
Apr 27, 2006
11:43 PM
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They are athlets. You got to get them in shape and the only way is to put them up and very often.
A single bird seldom rolls. I have found that the minimum to really get them going is about 8 birds. Eleven and up and they will do even better.
Don't give up on the single bird.......he needs some company up there so he can show off(LOL).
Last Edited by nicksiders on Apr 27, 2006 11:45 PM
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Mount Airy Lofts
203 posts
Apr 28, 2006
11:57 AM
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Nick,
That is the concept of why fliers release their birds in small groups. Always waiting till the next ones get to a safe height before release the next say 5 or so.
I was told to hand toss hot birds. This may be the same reason.
As it seems the release of alot of birds at the same time will trigger the hotter birds to roll coming out. Releasing them in moderate groups will aid this problem.
I think our birds like the competition. Some will even look like they are performing to out perform others.
Thor
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on a roll
28 posts
Apr 30, 2006
9:18 PM
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Brian, when someone would came over that had never seen a roller ,roll i would pull out this blue bar cock bird out of the kit let him go and he would fly around doing 20'rolls for us to watch. is this a cull,he did what he was suppose too in the kit.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
503 posts
Apr 30, 2006
9:39 PM
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The question would be, what does he do in the kit. I have yet to see a roller with any type of adequate control fly by itself and rolling all over the place. These birds when in a kit, tend to be overactive and not team players. Now you have to understand, my standards are set very high for competition sake and I consider a bird that rolls by itself when flying by itself, as lacking the control necessary to participate in my competition kits. I don't fly birds by themselves. The only time a bird flys by itself here is if it gets out or is one of those that doesn't come down with the kit and is the last bird up there flying around. If that bird is rolling, to me, it has a problem. But for just backyard enjoyment, that bird might suit someone else just fine as it is not under the same type of judgement that I put on my birds.
Brian.
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nicksiders
554 posts
Apr 30, 2006
10:59 PM
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I had a bird I could do that with as well. He could put on a show by himself, but when he was with the kit and if only one bird was rolling it was him. He did not break with the team; he just rolled whenever he took the notion. I culled him.
The rest of the team would all ball up together and give me a good size break and when they were re-kitting this guy would then give his roll by himself..........like I said; I culled him. Every once in awhile he would hit it with the team, but it was just happenstance that he was ready to roll when the team broke. You can't breed him and you can't put him on a team.
This was a round about way of saying I totally agree with BMC.
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