berzerkspina1
1 post
May 06, 2006
3:28 PM
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Hi Guys,
I am new to this site,have a question to ask,but not new to performing pigeons.My family has had rollers for a long while now,going back more than 40 years.Dad got his foundation stock in the late 1950s from a man named James (Jim)Skidmore of Blackheath in the U.K.All our present birds are direct decendants from this stock,with no outside influence.While they are just awesome 30 to 50 foot spinners,our birds are all muffed and not clean legged.All the champion birds we have seen here in Australia are all clean legged,and the so called "Experts"here say that our birds are just Exhibition Flying Tumblers,and no such thing as a muffed True Birmingham Roller,until they come and see our birds fly.This subject alone is cause for so much debate,and has baffled everyone who has seen them,including ourselves.Has anyone out there seen/have/know of muffed tight and fast spinning rollers,like ours?Thanks for any help guys.Regards,Albert.
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dale calvillo
12 posts
May 06, 2006
3:41 PM
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Hi Albert,
I have a good friend named Bobby Ruiz, a well known fancier in the roller hobby here in Southern California, he has what look like West of England tumblers with 5 inch muffs but these birds can spin as deep and fast as any roller i have seen, i know he has had them for years and fly's them regularly, let me know if you want any more info on them and i will let you know
Yours in the sport
Dale
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motherlodelofts
757 posts
May 06, 2006
3:51 PM
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Yes Albert they can come muffed , most of the recent imports to Austraila came from Monty Nieble/ John Weins out of BC Canada, which are clean legged and why the confusion on thier part .
My birds are 100 0/0 clean legged and yet you'll still see a pin feather on the toes here and there on sqeeks.
from what I'm told if they are muffed on the backside of the hocks they are crossed as the Birmingham won't have muffs on the backsde of the hocks.
Scott
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nicksiders
561 posts
May 06, 2006
4:15 PM
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If your birds do 30 - 50 foot spins I would say they are more than just for show.
Many true Birmingham Rollers are muffred or booted (another term for a bird with feathers on feet with clean halks). If you have built this family for more than 50 years I would not add any other strains to them and keep flying them everyday. Don't let thier confusion change your opinion about your family's birds.
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birdman
165 posts
May 06, 2006
4:22 PM
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Dale, I might add to your post that I was talking to Bobby Ruiz at our WC Regionals about his muffed birds and he told me that they came from some pure JL Smith birds that he got from Frank Lavin back in the 70's, which also had muffs.
Russ
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Mount Airy Lofts
213 posts
May 06, 2006
6:03 PM
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Don't be worried about what people say. It's rubbish that our breed doesn't have or carry muffs.
My family is filled with such birds. It is bred 1/4 of the time.
I think my muff is bred down from J. Leroy Smith stuff. His line is suppose to be filled with that stuff.
Thor
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berzerkspina1
2 posts
May 07, 2006
12:00 AM
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Hi Guys,
Unreal,so much response to my first post on the first day.Thanks to all,it is much appreciated.From my experience at the Annual Animal shows we have here,West of England Tumblers are much larger and of heavier build than the birds i have.They are also more showy,and their feather markings are more even on both sides of their bodies.They have a shorter beak,and much longer muffs (around 5 inches).
I will have to say that my birds are not Wests,and am happy to say that they are a muffed strain of Birminghams.Once again thanks to all and cheers.
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