Mr.JX
7 posts
Jun 03, 2006
8:15 PM
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I buy a very large helium balloon from a retail store for about 8 bucks and tie a long piece of kite string to it. After the birds circle around and you know they are ready to land on a roof or something you let it go.
I use this method to make my birds fly higher and longer.
Use only if your birds really know your area because they will fly like a hawk attacked.
Is this a good or a bad idea? comments?
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Santandercol
90 posts
Jun 03, 2006
9:57 PM
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Man,when hawks attack my birds,they're adios amigos.Into the trees.If a balloon is gonna have that affect,I think I'll just keep to throwing my ball cap.
Salud a las palomas,
Kel.
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fhtfire
458 posts
Jun 03, 2006
11:08 PM
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Tennis Ball works good or toss a big nerf football...that always helps me...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Norm_Knox
56 posts
Jun 04, 2006
12:07 AM
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Just take big black trash bag and put a soccer ball in it and you’ll have them off the roof. Later
Norm
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SlipSpur
61 posts
Jun 04, 2006
12:26 AM
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The metal Folgers coffee can works great... it's light but tosses well and it makes a lot of noise.
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Velo99
471 posts
Jun 04, 2006
5:17 AM
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Coffee can with some pebbles in it makes a hell of a racket and rolls off the roof, usually.
v99
If your arm sucks use a water balloon. They don`t stay on the roof lol.
v99
Last Edited by Velo99 on Jun 05, 2006 3:06 PM
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C.J.
201 posts
Jun 04, 2006
6:55 AM
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Shot gun lol Just Kidding
C.J.
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Major-ret
19 posts
Jun 04, 2006
10:43 AM
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I have gone to using dirt clods - seems I'm geting tennis balls/grandkids plastic buckets (they get mad at me)and anything else stuck on the roof and I hate having to climb up there! Of course it takes a bunch as my pitching stinks!!!! Steve
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washington86
75 posts
Jun 04, 2006
11:13 PM
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i did a kit flying a week ago, and that scare the heck out of my birds. the bad thing is that they dont fly near my house often anymore cause they are scared of the kit. i think kit flying is a bad idea because they wil land on other people's house instead of yours. now i use a soccer ball to keepp them off the roofs. and that works great.
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
58 posts
Jun 05, 2006
6:28 AM
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Hows about a long pool pole that ajust to longer lengths or a long bamboo pole ,, tie or duct tape a plastic trash bag it to the end,waving it back and forth with some force will cause it to make a loud fluttering sound,(length-height-noise) it works.......R-LUNA......
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siddiqir
220 posts
Jun 05, 2006
8:38 AM
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Scaring would not work for me. They can be control by feed. I do occionaly scare but not more then one. The problem is if you scare them on daily bases then they may end up sitting couple of house away and then you may not have any way of scaring them. I try to control them by feed and it works 90% of the time. Thanks, -Rauf
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Velo99
474 posts
Jun 05, 2006
3:19 PM
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In agreement with Rauf, I must say that birds on the roof is a symptom of improper management techniques. Feed should be shortened and the squeaks should be released from a remote location and forced to fly back to the kitbox. I know throwing stuff at them is fun but it is also counter productive if done more than a few times.
It is a delicate balance to keep the squeaks properly fed and trainable. Takes work.
I cut for a day. No feed no water. I got their attention real quick. Coupled with remote releases,the problem was rectified in an expedient manner. Adjust the feed in 1/4 cup increments every couple of days. Start at 1 1/4 per 20 til they get slow, cut em 1/4 cup at a time til the come in wings up then go back the other way till they get slow then.... fun huh?
yits
v99
Last Edited by Velo99 on Jun 05, 2006 3:21 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
622 posts
Jun 05, 2006
7:14 PM
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Hey Mr. JX, I give you an A+ for originality. LOL I just use a kit flag and it has been working well for me.
My birds are conditioned to fly when they see it waving at them. Check this video out to see me use it: Kit Flag In Action
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Mount Airy Lofts
232 posts
Jun 05, 2006
10:05 PM
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Jim my friend..
If you asked me, I say trash what you have or use them as fosters and work with them F1 Don Ouellette birds.
Here is why I say this...
These birds of ours is supose to be high fliers (performance birds). If they can't fly no more then 20 mins (with little to no action), then either you are under feeding or they are from some non flying stock.
Some birds just aren't meant to fly high. Take for example those Castro birds. All the times I have seen them fly, not once have they skied out. Even during those visits when a cooper hawk is hot on their tails... I have a feeling they are naturally prone to not sky out. That and the owner tells me his birds never fly higher then what I all ways observe.
I have come to a conclusion that we can pretty much set anything into stone if you breed for it long enough.
On a flip note, I just purchased 10 of those F1 (2) Don Ouellette birds. Hopefully by next week, I can release them from the tape and hope they stay.
Thor
P.S. No need to worry about flagging my guys up... grin.
Last Edited by Mount Airy Lofts on Jun 05, 2006 10:06 PM
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J_Star
457 posts
Jun 06, 2006
4:52 AM
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After the young ones get used to their kit box and the roof of the kit box. They usually start take a few labs around the yard and land on the roof of the kit box and/or other houses roofs for a short time then back to the kit box roof. Once that is established, I introduce couple of youngsters at a time to my established kit that is made up of yearlings. Those youngsters will be flying all over the place and out of the kit for couple days then they rejoin the kit and fly with the kit all the time and for the length of the kit flight - 45 min. Once that is established I add two more and so on. After that is established, then I move all the youngsters to their own kit box.
Jay
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mammoth hill lofts
2 posts
Jun 06, 2006
7:00 AM
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You shouldn't have to scare them off the roof, ever! Make sure they're not overfed, know thier surroundings and are old enough first. If you have traps and a landing board-open up the traps and they will usually take to the air off the landing board as they feel as if they've escaped. Monkey see monkey do and they will copy each other. If you have 10 or more sitting on the roof-take one that will fly and lightly put it on the roof-this will excite the others to get airborne and its not a foreign object. An overfed bird is reluctant to fly even if it was 3 days ago that it was overfed. Mammoth
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
628 posts
Jun 06, 2006
9:34 AM
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Hey Mammoth, my understanding was he was wondering how to keep the young kit up longer, not shoo them off the roof.
When shooing a young team off the roof, care is to be taken to not do it in such a way as to make them fearful of landing back in the same place.
I can shoo mine up, and back off to allow them to land back on the kit box roof. I do this a few times and they have built a new habit of only wanting to land on the kit box, not everywhere else.
This has worked for me when I needed to do it. May not work for everyone. You have to have a "feel" for how much you can get away with before they head to the next county. LOL
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Mr.JX
8 posts
Jun 06, 2006
9:45 AM
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My problem is not with the feed it is the birds. I am new to the hobby and these are one of my very first kit of birds. I bought these rollers from a guy who hasen't flown them for years. He was going out of rollers and sold them to me for very very cheap, almost free. I just wanted something to experiment with.
I have played with the feed and taken them down the street almost everything you can think of. If I can make them work then any other family will be easy to me. My plan is to cut the feed way down and and scare them up to build up their muscles. Remember they have never been flown and haven't have fully developed muscles. Then i will feed them up and see the results
I have made them tame enough to eat out of my hands and I don't use a trap door. I use something like the english way. I trap them in very easy, but its just the birds
Thor knows me very good and is a very big help. He knows my situation and told me to use them as fosters and he will give me some eggs, but i am hard headed and want to experiment first. If everything is easy then it is no FUN.
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siddiqir
221 posts
Jun 06, 2006
11:43 AM
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MrJx, it is very good way to learn but if you can find out what you have then it will help you a lot. You may not waste your time. If they are from fly perf. Stock then you may able to get them in the air but if they have show roller blood in the background then probably impossible. Feel the bird, they should feel light not full of meat. If they are chunky then first thing you need to do is trim them down either with milo or barley...once they're in the shape give them boost with protein and take from there...
Last Edited by siddiqir on Jun 06, 2006 5:07 PM
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siddiqir
222 posts
Jun 06, 2006
11:46 AM
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Mammoth
Can you elaborate more on "An overfed bird is reluctant to fly even if it was 3 days ago that it was overfed."
Thanks, -Rauf
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mammoth hill lofts
3 posts
Jun 07, 2006
8:14 AM
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Hey Sid, I"m not too fond of relating humans to birds but one is more apt to exercise on an empty stomach than a partially full one. You know that!In my experience, pigeons show the effects of what you fed up to 3 days away from the last feed. That's why feeding a kit too even retards the roll in some cases and usually never produces change in attitude or performance. Mammoth
p.s. Lethargic results should be expected from overfed pigeons. One must give thier birds what they need, not want!
There are no greater actors in the world than rollers. A lot of guys won't fly thier birds unless they are "down on the wire". Your kit birds should still act a little hungry after feeding.Rollers are meant to roll when liberated.
Last Edited by mammoth hill lofts on Jun 07, 2006 8:29 AM
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Velo99
475 posts
Jun 07, 2006
4:39 PM
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Mommath
Rollers are meant to roll yes BUT,
although feed manipulation is the preferred method, Remember this. If you leave them a little hungry all of the time they will eventually shut off,dry up and blow away. Every few weeks I give my birds some R&R. Three days off,bath,rich ass seed and vitamins,sunpen access,the whole nine yards. Builds them back up. Put some meat on them.
It does take a few days to get em back on point but I dont know of an athelete alive who is ON 24/7. Why would you expect them to be?
yits
v99
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mammoth hill lofts
4 posts
Jun 08, 2006
8:55 AM
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Velo, Notice I only mentioned -when liberated or when preparing to fly them!
I would never starve my birds and didn't recommend that in my response! I know of no one who doesn't allow thier birds to be pigeons along with a very healthy routine! Why would you even think that?
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Alohazona
158 posts
Jun 08, 2006
9:32 AM
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Guys,
Feed up a 25 or 30 ft tape measure,and goose'um,LOL....Aloha,Todd
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
632 posts
Jun 08, 2006
10:56 AM
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HA! With all these antics, its no wonder the nieghbors think we're all crazy!! LOL
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tapp
99 posts
Jun 08, 2006
7:47 PM
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I still use a pop bottle with a little water in it, drop your line in off your fishing pole and screw the cap on and cast on the roof. Save's me hobbling all over chasing tennis balls!!
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Tapp
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