Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
646 posts
Jun 17, 2006
10:45 AM
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It has been brought to my attention that I am charging too much for nest bowls. Some want to ensure that rollers guys only get the very best deal possible.
So, after I came down from the ceiling, I thought about what could someone do to save about 20 to 25 cents per bowl on 2 dozen nest bowls.
The best long term solution I could come up with was take a couple bricks and place them like a V in any corner and "tada", you have permanent nest bowls and never have to buy another one again. Now THATS what I call saving money.
Lets see Foys, Jedds and NE Pigeon Supply top that! LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
647 posts
Jun 17, 2006
11:29 AM
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To All: please note, when you purchase products from this site, you may or may not pay slightly more or slightly less than at some other pigeon product supply houses, but please know that your purchase helps us stay in business and keeps Roller-Pigeon.Com online.
We are not yet "in the black", but we get closer and closer every month we can hang-on. Your goodwill and generosity in purchasing Ruby Rollers, making financial donations and purchasing our assorted products are all instrumental in the progress we are making.
Apparently some feel it is their duty to come into this webspace and broadcast the fact that they can get something for a couple dollars less somewhere else.
People can shop wherever they want, but please remember, all your purchases and donations help keep this site up and running and promoting the Birmingham Roller, not just here in the USA but literally all over the world.
Ask yourself, what other pigeon supply house is offering an ALL ROLLER Talk forum and actively promoting the Birmingham Roller in this manner?
We recently surpassed the "2 Millionth" page view a couple weeks ago. Many tell me through email and on the phone how they are printing out and benefiting from the accumulated information packed on this website and from the many many years of experience they find in the All Roller Talk forum and articles generously donated by others.
Let me say, my family's only source of income is derived from the revenue generated from this website.
When somebody comes along and uses the forum to either intentionally or un-intentionally post comments that takes the food out of the mouth of my family, I have a problem with it.
I realize that not everyone knows the commitment that me and my family have made in deciding to quit rewarding careers and well paying jobs in California to move to Seymour, MO and make a go at running this site where we bring in barely a third of what we are used to.
That is why I have put up this post, to respond to these comments which I have deleted, so that there would be no misunderstandings about my commitment level and dedication to the success of this site.
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FLY ON & THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by Tony Chavarria on Jun 17, 2006 11:36 AM
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jammerlofts
4 posts
Jun 17, 2006
3:10 PM
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tony i was not being rude at all and was just stating a fact and and it really seems to me that why would it upset you for me to suggest buying for less to pass the savings on well since your puting it all the way you are right out on the table what your saying then is that your over charging to make a living so your all about the money and not commited to the hobby we all make a few dollors selling birds and so forth and most will say different but of course its true but you seem to be hot over me saying to help others save im kinda thinking that your all about the money to be so upset becouse further more just to give you a heads up the shipping boxes are much over priced also and not saying you dont know about birds but i do know this i would not ever put 12 birds in a 4 bird box as stated on your site your selling a 4 bird box saying that it will hold 6 to 12 birds would you ship 12 birds in that box i should hope not so why suggest to others that they can becouse a new comer to the hobby might do just that when he or she looks at that well wish you the best of luck but you might want to change your attitude for the sake of your site and your retail biz
jc
jammerlofts
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fhtfire
470 posts
Jun 17, 2006
4:21 PM
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JC,
You are rude. I know that your 4 big posts gives you the right to say what you want. I myself enjoy this site. The fact is that everyone has the right to by products wherever you like. It does not take a rocket scientist to look at foys web page and see that things are a little cheaper....or go to horizon and order a cheaper box. Tony takes his time and energy to keep this site up and running. It is a great site...the best site when it comes to roller conversation. I do think that it is rude to broadcast cheaper prices on this site....everyone that has been on this site..longer than 4 posts...knows that there are cheaper products on the internet. I myself just bought 24 nest bowls from Tony...why...did he force me....Nope...I just wanted to say thanks for the good work Tony!!! How about you keep your comments to yourself and let eveyone make there own decision on where they want to buy products. Do I shop at Foy's yes...I myself spread the wealth. Anyway...I do not blame Tony for reacting to your comments..especially when he never tells anyone they have to buy his products...sometimes you pay a little more just for the service!!!! All your comment did was add a page of nonsense to this list of good comments. Now someone has to look at one more page of crap to get to the good information that is all over this page.
TONY>>>YOU ARE DOING A FINE JOB!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK> >>>I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT YOU ANY WAY I CAN>>EVEN IF I HAVE TO PAY>>>>a couple extra dollars for a nest bowl...
rock and ROLL
Paul FUllerton
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jammerlofts
5 posts
Jun 17, 2006
4:49 PM
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In the beginning the only point I was trying to make was to help Tony out. Wondering if maybe he was not aware of other places to get items cheaper so that he could charge less on his site and still make a good profit. Thats all it was about.
I was trying to help, but NO everyone took it the wrong way and then after everything he deleted the entire post. Which is also fine, and I did apolagize several times because I did not intend for the SUGGESTION to be taken as an insult.
But then instead of just forgetting about the entire thing after the post was gone anyhow, Tony had to start a new one and be a wise guy and imply basically that I am cheap. So I decided if he didn't want to let sleeping dogs lie then why should I? And I pointed out some other things that I find ridiculus.
Once again just an opinion, and last I knew this was a free country and anyone could write anything they wanted.
But, don't worry I won't bother you guys anymore, I will be taking my opinions, comments and knowledge to NPRA where they are all very friendly, curteous, helpful, and not crooks.
Have a great night
JC
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trevsta65
18 posts
Jun 17, 2006
5:04 PM
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jc if everyone brought things from multinational companies just because they have cheaper products the world would be a sad place i dont mind having to pay a little bit extra for something when i no that it is going to benifet someone who is contributing a great deal of his time and money to supply this very informative site which i have learned a great deal from. keep up the great work tony and thank you this site is the best cheer from aus trev
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fhtfire
471 posts
Jun 17, 2006
5:21 PM
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Well,
I do not think that you apologized...all you did was bash a little bit more...obviously you think that people on this site are crooks...you last couple words...say it all. Obviously your true feelings are coming out. Numer 1...people who know me on this site...and out of 400+ posts....I have NEVER belittled anyone or have been mean to someon. Again, I was just tell you that your post sounded rude..you may not have meant it to come out that way..but you did. Again, Calling someone a crook is wrong...Just like people are free to buy where they want...you are free to go to the NPRA site. Whatever dude...just admit your wrong and move on...don't call people names...turn tail and run to another site...I never said that you had to leave...and no one was mean to you...
rock and ROLL
Paul Fullerton
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jammerlofts
6 posts
Jun 17, 2006
5:32 PM
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Of course you didn't see me apolagize because that entire post was deleted, so that no one could see everything that was written, and then Tony came back and bashed me. If anyone thinks I am going to turn tale and run or just let someone bash me then they are WRONG.
I offered to leave, and as far as going to NPRA I have been there a while now and everyone there is friendly.
As far as calling anyone a crook, well just look at the prices for all of the products on this site, we are not talking double but more than triple the retail cost from other sites when I am sure he is buying wholesale, but anyways whatever you are exactly right anyone can buy from whom ever they wish. You can all kiss up all you want but I refuse to.
And by the way yes this site is very imformative however, as far as the costs of running a site I happen to know the ins and outs of that very well and it doesn't cost anywhere near what people think it does, so whatever let everyone follow blindly and pay more than 3 times for products so they can get imformation its your choice...
Good night
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jammerlofts
7 posts
Jun 17, 2006
5:49 PM
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Oh by the way asfar as Tony'scomment about "putting 2 bricks together and saving 20 to 25 cents per bowl"...well maybe he should do the math because its closer to almost a dollar a bowl well to be exact 82 cents per bowl...
Sure help build the site but add up how many bowls you use a year and multiply that by 82 cents and see how much money you have just lost.....
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
72 posts
Jun 17, 2006
6:55 PM
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JC you crack me up thinking you cant be for real, man just going to by the bricks(how much ?) the time to go get them , load them and unload them, how much did you save?,cents, man , just save some aluminum cans dude, thats if you buy soft drinks or beer that will help you save some cash to buy some things,LOL.. I just ordered 48 bowls , so what- at least i did not have to go take the time and gas to go get them and the best thing man i helped someone and the cause....yeah you apologized, thats good but c'om on now you ain't got to be a hater- with the comments, dont let your weakness get the best of you... late.........R_ luna
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fhtfire
472 posts
Jun 17, 2006
6:59 PM
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Again,
Why are you so concerned about the prices. Nobody is saying that you have to buy them. A crook is someone who has commited a crime. I do not think that Tony is a crook. Guess what...I guarantee that if I went over to the other site and said that they were all a bunch of crooks for passing off cross bred birds as true rollers they would get pissed...or I said that they are ripping people off...Do not go back and say that I said that they are selling cross breeds....Remember...it is a what if...Bob is a friend of mine...as well as Allen Bliven and a bunch of the other guys over there...anyway...people would get pissed. Why are you so hung up on the prices....Geez....Velo even posted to cool your jets..that it is nice to get the things delivered to your door. And to say that it is kissing up...let me tell you brother...those who know me...know that I kiss up to nobody. I have no reason to kiss up to Tony. He is not my boss...he has no control over any aspect of my being.....I do not owe him anything...nor does anybody on this site. You can say what you want....I read the posts before they were deleted....Trust me...nobody on this site needs your help on how and where to find the best deal on pigeon products...if they do ....they will ask....many have asked where to get certain pigeon products...and Tony himself has even sent people to Foy's. He just has the products up for sale....just in case someone wants to say thanks for the hard work. "Thanks" does not mean you are kissing up. Again...he would be a crook...if he made somebody buy one of his products to be a member.....or something of that nature. Tony did not bash you...he just explained himself...I have met Tony personally and he is a very nice person....he puts all his cards on the table...he does not have an ace up his sleeve. Do you have to buy a 69.00 bird..nope...pay a little more for a nest box...nope....Hey...if you have a hard on over .82 a nest bowl or whatever...then by them from Foy's. I myself have no problem paying a little extra to help out the site. Its my money..if I want to waste it that is fine. Again, I just bought 3 birds at the NCRC auction to help out...Do I need birds...NOPE.....I did it to help out....maybe I am just kissing up to the NCRC...or maybe I am just helping out the club for the hard work!!! Just let it go dude...just say that I messed up...I did not mean it that way...and move on....What is funny...nobody has said anything negative to you personally...Again...Man...it is like...nobody knew that Tony's products cost more...thanks for the heads up....I am just SHOCKED.....LOL!! Try and talk pigeons and be positive...your comments have not been positive at all.
rock and ROLL
Paul Fullerton
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Rob B.
1 post
Jun 17, 2006
7:18 PM
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Tony you can't please evreyone you provide a good service
and also sell products. I have seen people pay alittle more
because of the relationship they have with the person selling it. Keep up the good work and I will keep you'r
products in mind on my next purchase.I use plastic dog food bowls for nest 1.50ea. but last long time.Look forward to helping support the service.
Robert B.
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jammerlofts
8 posts
Jun 17, 2006
7:33 PM
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I am too grown up for this BS I don't need this site there are plenty of others out there with great people.
I have been bashed enough, think what you want!! I will not apolagize because I was not wrong.
Picture this if you will:
someone who has never shipped birds before sees the 4 bird box on this site which states its good for 6- 12 birds, he buys it and all his birds arrive dead because they were over crowded--is this a great service of knowledge for the newbie? I think not...
Keep telling me to let it go?? Then why won't you? I didn't start this post TONY DID being a wise a**...
whatever
Oh by the way I recieved a couple emails from people that go on this site and have seen the posts and the price gouging that is going on here and they totally agree with me, but no one posting can seem to admit to it or accept it Whatever man
Im done with you all
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fhtfire
473 posts
Jun 17, 2006
8:28 PM
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That is not a four bird box..that is an 8 bird roller box. I have one in my garage right now. I have shipped 10 birds in that exact box. Would I ship 10 birds in the summer...NO I would not. But during the winter you could easly pull the dividers and ship 12 squeeks. the 2-4 bird box is the little one. I have shipped birds all over the country and NEVER had a dead one. Anyway...the economy could ship 12 int the winter or 10 with ease...I have done it.
No body is bashing you....they are just talking about your comment. Not one person has called you a name of any kind. The second is..we all ADMIT that tony's prices are higher. For the tenth time...WE KNOW HE HAS HIGHER PRICES..>WE KNOW WE CAN CHOOSE TO PAY A LITTLE MORE TO HELP THE CAUSE>>>>WE KNOW THAT WE CAN SHOP SOMEWHERE ELSE>>>>WE KNOW THAT HE IS NOT FORCING US TO BUY HIS PRODUCTS>>>AND FOR SURE WE KNOW>>>THAT WE DO NOT NEED ANYBODY TO REMIND US>
The people who are e-mailing you...GREAT...they can shop somewhere else too. that is there choice. But when it comes to information about rollers...there is NOT a better site.
rock and ROLL
Paul
Last Edited by fhtfire on Jun 18, 2006 9:10 PM
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jammerlofts
9 posts
Jun 17, 2006
9:09 PM
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paul seems like you think you know everthing to right since your not leting it go well your wrong buddy the box he has listed is a 4 bird box its the economy nest the 8 bird box is the omni nest so again your wrong maybe before you run your mouth you should know what your talking about now just goes to show i was right your an a** kisser just like the rest i ship all the time i have shipped for years and if your shipping as much as you say you do then you should have known that so go ahead and tell me im wrong to make yourself feel better
jc jammerlofts
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fhtfire
474 posts
Jun 17, 2006
9:41 PM
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I know that it says 4 bird box on the website..that is for the tree huggers and animal rights people. I just shipped 4 breeder pairs to Tony about 4 months ago with that exact box..that is 8 birds...two per cubby. I have even put 8 in the bottom and two little boogers on top. I have pulled the dividers and shipped twelve squeeks. Plus when they say 4 pigeons..most poeple relate 4 pigeons to 4 racers..since that seems to be the standard when talking about how many birds a container will hold. I have the large nest container in my attack...I tell you what..It holds a hell of a lot more than 12 rollers. It could hold 20 with ease. Remember..I said in the WINTER I would ship more birds. During the summer...I would put less in the box. The two bird box...I have shipped 5 squeeks in that box. I never said that I know it all....I just said what I have done. I have even recieved birds from people at the NPRA site that shipped me 8 birds in you 4 bird box. Anyway..you are still calling people names...I still have not said a negative thing about you and now I am an Ass kisser. I have a carrying basket that holds 20-22 homer size birds....guess what..you put 30 rollers in the basket and they have more room then the homers.....Rollers are small!! some of mine are not much bigger then a dove...just remember...it is common sense when shipping. Man...would you ship 4 doves in a 4 bird box....I am sorry about calling it an 8 bird box...I only ship rollers...so I call it an 8 bird box..maybe I will call it an 8 bird roller box...4 bird homer box.
rock and ROLL
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jammerlofts
10 posts
Jun 17, 2006
10:05 PM
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i agree with you shipping 8 rollers in a 4 bird box is fine but not 12 i dont care if its winter or summer you dont put 12 birds in a 4 bird box why would someone do that, to save money well i should hope not since you and tony seem mad about me giving advice about saving money for his customers sounds like a double standard to me why else would you ship so many in a 4 bird box but to save on shipping cost why not just pay for 2 4bird boxes to be shipped hey the postal service needs to make money too lol well you have a great night by the way this is not about who you bought from on the npra site why involve them there a great bunch of guys looking to better the hobby but i noticed you mention them when refering to how many sent in a 4 bird box i know thats not bashing right
jc jasmmerlofts
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Santandercol
116 posts
Jun 17, 2006
10:14 PM
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Well,holy shit!!What's all this?Just came in the house after a pleasant evening in the garden to find all this MIERDA,hijo de puta.Hope ya'all can spend some time with your birds and find some peace.This is a GOOD one to delete,eh Tony!?
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Kelly
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
648 posts
Jun 17, 2006
10:57 PM
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I was out late today and am just catching up on this thread...
I appreciate the support I have received in regards to this thread. Paul, if you fight fires with the intensity you have shown here, we are all fortunate to have real men like you on the department!
Hey Jammerlofts, your absolute very first post said alot about you and the kind of biped you are. Now I think I fully understand your reason for attacking me. Let a person speak long enough and they reveal themselves, surely. Troll Alert.
Yours is yet another thinly veiled attempt to drive traffic to the other site using my goodwill and this site to create controversy to serve your purpose.
Just a couple weeks ago, we had some discussion here as to how to handle trolls, well, here we are again.
On those shipping boxes, well, you are absolutely wrong. You need to read the writing on Horizons own site about these boxes.
Let me quote for you, " The Single Nest IS IDEAL (emphasis mine) for (1) duck or pheasant, (2) pigeons, (2) Old English Bantams, (1) larger game bird or bantam, or a few passeriformes (canaries & finches).
Dimensions are 18" x 18" x 8" wide,
Maximum weight allowed: 7 lbs."
Now here is the info for the Economy Nest, "is most COMMONLY CALLED (emphasis mine) the (4) bird box. It is perfect for (4) pigeons or Old English Bantams, or (2) pheasants or larger bantams or game birds. It comes with either two or four triangular compartments.
Dimensions are 16" x 16" x 16",
Maximum weight allowed: 9 lbs."
Now besides the wieght, where does it say you must not put in more than what they actually say in their own advertising???
I ship YOUNG BIRDS! Just a couple weeks out of the nest. Have you ever actually put young pigeons in these boxes? I have NEVER had a pigeon arrive dead or stressed due to being overcrowded as I do not over crowd boxes! If I made a mistake it was one of omission, I should have indicated "young birds", my bad.
Have you ever counted the number of rollers kept in a kit box? Have you seen how tight some of them are? My gosh, you are reaching for straws in an attempt to besmirch me and what I do.
In my first post here on this thread, I never mentioned your name, I deleted your first thread you started as apparently you don't know its not polite to attack the host on his own website.
Your compulsion to respond the way you have speaks volumes about you and what you are about.
I am thankful everyday for the wonderful guys and ladies who come to this site and make it what it is.
Buddy, you need to get lost and not come back. I have you pegged.
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FLY ON! BUY MY STUFF-BUY MY STUFF-BUY MY STUFF Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by Tony Chavarria on Jun 17, 2006 11:17 PM
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
649 posts
Jun 17, 2006
11:11 PM
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Hey Kel, yeah, this is one for the books though, hehehehe. Seriously, he, came to the site this AM and his very first post was negative and attacking the pricing structure of all things: nest bowls.
But I need to defend myself against his mis-information and defamation which has already made it to the eyes of the public. He could be hearing from an attorney for defamation of character if he keeps this up.
Definition of defamation of character: In English and American law, and systems based on them, libel and slander are two forms of defamation (or defamation of character), which is the tort or delict of making a false statement of fact that injures someone's reputation. "Defamation" is however the generally-used term internationally, and is accordingly used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "libel" and "slander".
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by Tony Chavarria on Jun 17, 2006 11:11 PM
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jammerlofts
11 posts
Jun 17, 2006
11:15 PM
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Obviously, you keep bashing me, and saying how I am trying to draw traffic to another site but if you read all the posts it was not me who repeatedly mentioned the other site it was your dedicated flock.
As far as letting ones words indicate who they truly are, I guess I would have to say that you have truly proven just how childish you are by deleting the earlier post so people could not see the point I was trying to make but then continuing the discussion as you saw fit.
The box....hmmmm...8 young birds...sure no problem but 12???? So how many could you ship in the 16 bird box? 30?? I think not...actually I KNOW NOT! And NO I was not wrong the Economy Nest is a 4 BIRD BOX as stated on horizon, and in my earlier post.
You show your greed well....
An intelligent site owner would have just thanked the person for the information in the very beginning of all the mess instead acting like a child who felt the need to get the last word in and fight so hard to defend himself. Hmmm...if you are not price gouging, and in this strictly for the money then why do you feel the need to keep going, can't let it roll off your back?
And don't worry I won't be back.
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
650 posts
Jun 17, 2006
11:31 PM
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Jammerlofts, you obviously have not read my entire post above. Read where I mentioned "wieght", get it right.
You mentioned that you were going to go over to the other site where everyone plays nicey nice and won't be mean, awaaah, awaaah, mommy. This is in my view a transparent attempt to drag people there.
Your use of "dedicated flock" reminds me of some others who have tried the same thing. I thank Alan Bliven for the "heads-up" about trolls some time ago.
It has certainly prepared me for certain visitors who abuse this site.
As for greed? No more than when you want your paycheck on Fridays. Puleeeease
As for intelligence of site owner, I admit, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but ya gotta love me! LOL
As for not being back. Don't go away mad, just go away!
Aios Meos!
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FLY ON! BUY MORE THAN YOU REALLY NEED, I AM REALLY A FINE PERSON, YOU CAN TRUST ME WITH YOUR WIFE AND DAUGHTERS, JUST BE SURE I DON"T SHIP YOU 12 BIRDS IN A SHOE BOX. Tony Chavarria
Last Edited by Tony Chavarria on Jun 17, 2006 11:32 PM
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Velo99
491 posts
Jun 18, 2006
5:34 AM
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Hey Tony,
If you are making so much money, you must be gonna offer stock soon. Who can I see to buy it? Are you gonna offer it here? How much per share?
The previous lesson in socialism was brought to you by be_a_troll.com.
yits
V99
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
74 posts
Jun 18, 2006
7:12 AM
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MAN, Tony why did you you have expose shipping from a shoe box,,,,,thats what i was using, but not for 12 pigeons, just eleven. With the shoe box i save $$$$$$$$$$$$$ ....R-Luna
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Heyyou
3 posts
Jun 18, 2006
8:30 AM
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I think if you want to ship birds cheaply then you just tie a roller onto the leg of a homer that you sent to the seller of the roller and let him drag the critter to the buyer. All attempts at humor aside, rollers are so small compared to homers, that at least two could be sent safely in a homers place. I just received three pair in an 8 bird box and the fellow could have three times that many. The birds are overnighted anyway and 24 hrs is not time enough to damage any bird in that box. I am fairly new to this site, but I must say to Tony that I enjoy it, will use it, and I will purchase from you just to help keep the site up. It is a great source of excellent info and keep up the good work, Bill White
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jammerlofts
13 posts
Jun 18, 2006
9:30 AM
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Hello all,
Everyone has their own opinions and thoughts, and I think everyone here has both had a good laugh as well as gotten heated up over the last 24 hours but today is not the day for arguing and carrying on...
What we should be doing is spending time with our children if we have them and our fathers.
So anyway HAPPY FATHERS DAY Tony and everyone else who is a Dad out there
Enjoy your day!!!
JC
Jammerlofts
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nicksiders
631 posts
Jun 18, 2006
2:08 PM
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Same to ya jammer and everyone else.....happy fathers day
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Snicker Rollers
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
651 posts
Jun 18, 2006
5:24 PM
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Happy Fathers Day to all the dads on here. You too Jammerlofts.
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Newflyer
62 posts
Jun 18, 2006
6:08 PM
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To ALL.....I sure hope that is the end a most riduclious running post. I myself would not have even entertained the remarks of JC. He must be a real J E R K to make some of the statements. I for one would never think that Tony was trying to rip off any of US. Sure their are other place to shop, but YOU shop where you like the service. And I will keep shopping at Tony's store as well as where ever I want to shop too.
Paul
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C.J.
206 posts
Jun 18, 2006
7:02 PM
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Wow I go away for a couple of days and this site goes to hell. LOL. I think everyone on here needs to stop and take a breather. fhtfire, on your one post you call him Cj. thats me. Can you edit this please? Thanks. Standing back and looking at the whole picture I can see both sides of this. I don't think JC started out to do anything wrong. Being new to the site he wasn't aware of the unwritten rules and how this site is being funded. A lot of guys forget that a lot of time and effort goes into keeping a site up and running. This site is free because Tony uses it as an advertising tool for his Ruby Rollers and other products. He is not independently wealthy or a philanthropist he is a guy who has to feed his family. Tony is also a smart guy, he knows that other sites are selling these nesting bowls cheaper but that’s not the point. The point is when you buy something from here it helps to off set the costs that he incurs by keeping this site free. If he was to try to charge a membership this site would not be as popular or as busy. JC as for the way everyone came to the defense of Tony that was because they have been here and know how much time is spent here. When Tony replied to your post about the nesting bowls he wasn’t being a smart ass he was defending something he loves and is passionate about. I know I have said this before and I will say it again. Everyone on here who wants to write a critical comment needs to take out a word program and do a draft before posting. Then after you write it click save and let it sit for a few hours. Once you have had some time come back and reread it with a calm perspective. Then if it still seems relevant post it.
I think if everyone goes away and comes back and rereads these posts you will find there was alot of unnecessary bashing and blame to go around. Why not everyone agree to disagree and get on with their lives.
coryj@nexicom.net
C.J.
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fhtfire
478 posts
Jun 18, 2006
9:20 PM
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Sorry CJ
I edited my post. I think that you know me from posting on the site since the old days...and I have never been rude to anybody or bashed them in any way. I re-read my posts and I do not feel that I made one personal attack. I just could not get the point the guy was making. He attacked Tony...called people crooks and kiss A#$es...My first post was that I thought the guy was rude and explained the time that tony puts into this site...as well as the fact ...that everyone knows that Tony' prices are a little higher...I do not think that TOny has the buying power of Foy's LOL!! The very first post that Tony deleted was the one that got me going...saying that they must be gold plated and how can he charge so much and on and on...Even Velo99 was nice with a counter post saying that it is nice to have them shipped to your door....I even posted a nice comment about how hard tony works....I just could not get where he was coming from...I was trying to let him or her know that we are all aware of the high prices. Anyway...I did not lose a wink of sleep over this....Because I love the hobby and the site and the hard work tony does on the upkeep....I was just defending the site...but never once time did I attack him as a person..only his comments. Anyway..I got my point across...I want to argue about color breeding now..LOL!!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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AIREDALE
19 posts
Jun 19, 2006
2:46 AM
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Tony,
You're doing a fabulous job with this site.As in anything in life you can purchase from a large company at a cheaper price or a smaller firm with the PERSONAL TOUCH.I prefer the personal touch.Your forum and advice is great.The points you stress in "Breeding better rollers" is as inciteful as any I've seen or read.I hope the readers of this Forum realize it's value and won't quible about a few cents saved.Don't let a few cause you to roll into the ceiling.I hope you and yours "Roll On" for many more years.
John
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C.J.
210 posts
Jun 19, 2006
3:48 AM
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fhtfire I have nothing but respect for you, Tony and the regular guys on this site. I totally understand where you were coming from. You were defending an friend and I respect you for that. I have been on here long enough to know who is who.
coryj@nexicom.net
C.J.
Last Edited by C.J. on Jun 19, 2006 3:52 AM
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Velo99
495 posts
Jun 19, 2006
2:01 PM
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The computer I am sending this message on is a perfect example of entrepreneurship. Guy I did a job for a long time ago,I saw him out and about. He said he was opening his puter shop. I went over and ordered my new tower from him 2 years ago. He has a questionare he fills out for each customer. Each machine he makes is a custom machine. When I had problems he was right there on the other side of the phone.When I took it to him,15 minute drive,HE took it from me. Told me when it would be ready and would call if he needed to.
No box no shipping no bullshit. Just primo service for about 25 bux more.
Samey same right here. I haven`t bought anything from Tony yet because my needs are small and easily met. In the future though I will trade with Tony on the small items I do require.Shipped to my door with the gratitude of a common roller man just like me. Not some CFO in a corner office booking a cruise to the Bahamas with his secretary.
yits
v99
Hey Paul,
What was that supposed to mean? Even v99 posted a nice comment.Trying to say something there pal? lmao
Last Edited by Velo99 on Jun 19, 2006 2:12 PM
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jammerlofts
14 posts
Jun 19, 2006
2:50 PM
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well it seems to be that the few that are saying to let it end wich i did are the ones to keep it going as far as the remark about you would not have entertained me and everyone should just stop posting about it well then why did you post hmm let it go i thought this site was about rollers lol
jc
jammerlofts
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
653 posts
Jun 19, 2006
3:16 PM
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Hey JC, we'll get there sooner or later! LOL
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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knaylor
241 posts
Jun 19, 2006
4:10 PM
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Guys, I was at the cheapest feed store around my area on Saturday and the same nest bowls were .60 each. Now consider the time and gas it takes to go get them. Tonys are cheap. The bottom line is its Tonys site and store he can charge what he wants. If you dont like the price dont buy them. When you go grocerie shopping do you tell the manager that the store across town has milk cheaper?? LOL Kevin
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fhtfire
479 posts
Jun 19, 2006
6:12 PM
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Kenny,
It means that you are soooooo nice....Don't mess with Texas!! LOL
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Planet_Rock_Lofts
54 posts
Jun 19, 2006
8:53 PM
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To Everyone,
You know I did not see the earlier posts in regards to this situation but I can understand Tony's side and JC's side from what I read. If you have not ever run a business before it is kind of hard to explain the different dynamics that come up EVERYDAY. Now, think about supporting a family in that same competitive environment and that adds to the stress.
At the same time business men and women have to understand that it is a free enterprise system if you a better product combined with good service then you will get my dollar and everyone else who is looking for quality. There are some restaurant franchises in my city that I will not support because their quality is no where near the quality of the same franchised store 15 miles away. Gues which store gets my dollar? Yes I do in fact drive the extra 10-15 miles for better service.
Same with my birds I complain about the shipping but the birds gotta get their some how. And once they arrive healthy and full of life I forget about the costs anyways.
Planet Rock Lofts
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