Alohazona
166 posts
Jun 22, 2006
9:20 AM
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Guys,
Do any of you have a bird/birds that trigger your breaks??When you dont fly this bird/birds,is there less performance,overall??.....Aloha,Todd
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Ballrollers
391 posts
Jun 22, 2006
10:08 AM
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Todd,
I saw a couple trigger birds in Clay Hoyle's kit. Three birds flew slightly above the others in the kit and when they rolled down through the kit, the rest of the kit would break everytime. In my '05 A-kit, I used an older hen, who is a good performer, to wean them as squeakers and flew her with them as well. The kit always followed her cue. As they matured, I took her out of the kit, and it didn't seem to have a significant impact on their performance.
YITS, Cliff
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nicksiders
645 posts
Jun 22, 2006
11:41 AM
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The key that Cliff brought up was "when they matured". I have also found you can find your trigger birds on the top row perches in your kit boxes. If you have a problem kit you will find the culprits on the top row as well. That is where your box's leadership comes from....that top row...good and/or bad.
Just my experience; no scientific fact to back it up
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Snicker Rollers
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
593 posts
Jun 22, 2006
12:09 PM
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I have a trigger bird right now, an old cock from last year that doesn't roll much at all. His father has triggering characteristics and different times in his flying career. I moved this bird out of the cock kit since he doesn't actually roll any scoreable depth and put him into my oldest young kit where there are a number of birds starting to put together some nice spin. The very first day I flew him with this kit I saw him take control of the group and several times a minute he would be at the point of the kit and suddenly fast flip several times, making a whole bunch of the young ones break on a dime. It was cool to see it happening so clearly. Usually it is very hard to find a trigger bird in a kit. I was lucky to find this one by virtue of the move.
Brian.
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Ballrollers
394 posts
Jun 22, 2006
1:41 PM
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In the North Carolina I-85 Fly Off last month, the winner, Lathan Collins who flys Hardesty birds, had a similar trigger bird. Jay Yandle picked him out. It was similar to your cock. He only flipped a few at a time, but everytime he did, he triggered a break! YITS, Cliff
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birdman
184 posts
Jun 22, 2006
2:31 PM
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Would anybody use a trigger bird as part of their breeding program even though it's rolling is only so-so at best?
This bird obviously has great value as a team leader, but if breeding 'Best to Best' from the air, would this bird be a cull?
Russ
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
595 posts
Jun 22, 2006
3:10 PM
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Russ, I think that first a person would have to have a pretty solid group of birds that produce satisfactorally to start with. Some trigger birds are often just strong character birds which can prevent them from showing their full roll potential. I wouldn't hesitate to breed from a trigger bird that just rolled so-so, but did everything else right, especially being so good at triggering breaks.
So-so to me would be simply lacking any hard speed or frequency. If so-so was a bird that switched wings or exited all goofy every time or had any other problems, I'd look for a different trigger bird source.
From my experience, trigger birds don't necessarily reproduce trigger birds, at least not in any numbers. Much like a great spinner doesn't always reproduce itself, though often it will produce one like itself.
The bird I spoke about above, his father was more than occasionally a trigger bird and he wasn't a stand out roller by any means in terms of the roll. He was just sound in mind and management and the few times he would roll, he was very deep but not really fast in the spin. I have four of his offspring from last year still flying, one of which was the cock bird I mentioned above which definitely got the father's triggering ability, as well as his stiffness too. The nestmate to this 05 cock bird is a little more frequent a fairly decent roller, but doesn't trigger breaks as far as I can tell. His sister is a great roller, top shelf spin, and she does on occasion appear to have something to do with breaks as she generally only rolls on the breaks and is at the front most of the time. A younger sister has just started committing to hard spin and is showing some real promise in the quality and speed departement. She doesn't appear to be a trigger bird.
Brian.
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birdman
185 posts
Jun 22, 2006
8:16 PM
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Brian, did you ever notice this bird having the trigger effect with old birds too?
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
596 posts
Jun 22, 2006
8:35 PM
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Honestly not that I can recall. He wasn't ever in my comp kits and recently has spent the last month or two in the cock kit once I separated the old bird sexes. I never really paid much attention to him, instead watching the birds that rolled. It wasn't until I moved him to the older young bird kit that I noticed the triggering effect he had on them. Funny thing is he is a red bar grizzle just like his father and it instantly reminded me of his father.
Brian.
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