siddiqir
235 posts
Jun 28, 2006
8:23 AM
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Any fancier exclusively or just use wheat and milo for rollers?
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STARFIRE
44 posts
Jun 28, 2006
10:45 AM
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Hi All;
I use wheat exclusively for young birds.I feed 20 birds 1/2 cup( after they stop sqeeking)Thats all.Have been doing this for over 50 years.No problems.
Stan Arnold
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STARFIRE
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nicksiders
661 posts
Jun 28, 2006
11:42 AM
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Twenty birds on just one half cup of wheat? Do they fly for 40 minutes? Seems very little to me. I have for short periods fed one cup to 20 birds and in two days they where coming down in 15 minutes.
It may be that I am not starting them out on these rations soon enough.................hmmmm.
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Snicker Rollers
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siddiqir
236 posts
Jun 28, 2006
12:21 PM
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Starfire, only 1/2 cup to 20 birds or you have meant to say 1 1/2 cup to 20 birds?
What do you think about your rollers as far as size? Are they real small (compact) or medium or large size.
Nicksiders, exact same here. I feed little less then a cup to 10 birds. My birds are not small. I would say they are between medium to large. I believe the bigger the bird the more feed it will consume
I think keeping the rollers on just wheat or milo will make them compact/smaller and which is one of the important thing. I am working towards their size and see how feed can effect.
I had a year old roller which only eats milo. I usually feed them mix (wheat/milo/peas) but this particular hen only eats milo. I noticed this bird is real compact in size if compare to others. Roll OK nothing so exciting, love to fly... however the size is real compact. This observation makes me think we could really make the birds compact with feed.
Any one else?
Last Edited by siddiqir on Jun 29, 2006 7:01 AM
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nicksiders
663 posts
Jun 28, 2006
2:35 PM
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I use cup marked "1 CUP" used when mixing solid foods; not liquid. I cannot imagine giving an actual one half cup to 20 birds, but I learn something everyday in this hobby(well almost everyday.....well, maybe once a week....or it could be once every two - LOL). Stan is well known for his knowledge and that is the only reason I responded. We need him to confirm what measuring devise he uses.......Stan, you're on - give us the size of the scoop, my friend(or give us the scoop-LOL)
Nick
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birdman
189 posts
Jun 28, 2006
4:03 PM
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Nick, I agree that 1/2 cup seems very light for 20 birds. Mine would starve on 1/2 cup, as this equals about 6 tablespoons for 20 birds. Are you sure about that one Stan? LOL
And by the way, a dry cup or liquid cup measurement does not really matter because they both equal the same volume. Take one dry cup of wheat and pour it into a liquid measuring cup and you will see what I mean.
Russ
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motherlodelofts
820 posts
Jun 28, 2006
4:55 PM
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Never exclusivly , they need more in their diet ,but I sure use a ton of Wheat , but never exclusivley for long periods of time and not on younbirds.
I want youngbirds to have everything they need to grow muscle,feather,and bone.
Scott
PS not all Wheat is created equel,
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
616 posts
Jun 28, 2006
5:15 PM
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PS not all Wheat is created equel
Ain't that the truth. Sometimes I'll get a few bags that the kernels look like small peanuts, other times it is shriveled up. Can't feed both kinds in the same amount that's for sure. The big stuff is power packed with protein. I generally have to cut the amount of the "super wheat" almost in half as compared to the normal run of the mill quality wheat.
Brian.
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Velo99
519 posts
Jun 28, 2006
5:24 PM
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I think the last bag I bought must taste like shit. They don`t like it but they will eat it.
v99
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If they don`t kit,they don`t perform.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
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STARFIRE
45 posts
Jun 28, 2006
5:37 PM
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Hey Guys;
I use a 1 cup measuring cup.I feed them 1 tsp per bird.I mark the cup for 10-15-20-25-30 birds.1/2 cup is plenty for 20 birds.I use hard Canadian western wheat.When these birds mature in the fall they will fly 4 hrs on that ration.They will also fly over an hr.in 100 degree heat.I know,I can hardly believe it myself.
Stan Arnold
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STARFIRE
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nicksiders
668 posts
Jun 28, 2006
7:51 PM
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Stan, if I would feed my birds just 1/2 cup for twenty they would fly for 3 to 4 hours alright, but it would be in looking for a new home(LOL).
You must have tiny birds.....dove size?
Goosh Stan, that just don't sound like enough(for my birds, anyway).
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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motherlodelofts
821 posts
Jun 28, 2006
11:17 PM
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Stan the 4 hr fly time is due to the wheat and lean fly condition.
When my birds start hitting excess fly time and going up on me it is time to lock them down and pound wt on them with high protien and fat.
Scott
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siddiqir
239 posts
Jun 29, 2006
7:15 AM
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This is really amazing how different family of rollers re-act on particular grain.
My birds do sh*t on just wheat or I would say I am not feeding them right amount.
I use Canadian red hard wheat
Protein: 20.00%
Fibre: 2.90%
Fat: 1.70%
I tried it for 10 days; the birds seem to look fit and lean but do not want to fly more then 10 minutes LOL.
Probably if we use just single grain generation after generation then "Family" will get use to with it...but it sounds like years of work to prove.
Last Edited by siddiqir on Jun 29, 2006 7:20 AM
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Santandercol
142 posts
Jun 29, 2006
8:31 PM
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Hey Sidd,
Nice pic!!Can tell it's canuck wheat 'cause it's red and liberal.LOL.
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Kelly
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STARFIRE
46 posts
Jun 30, 2006
11:56 AM
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Hi Guys;
My birds are medium sized birds.And Scott,when my birds fly 4 hrs I dont give them more ,I cut them back till they fly the time I want.Last year I had them flying over 5 hrs on occasion.My birds love to fly.You have to remember I've had this family for 38 yrs.and they are all related one way or another.Very inbred.
Stan Arnold
STARFIRE
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Mount Airy Lofts
568 posts
Mar 18, 2008
2:26 AM
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Stan,
Are you kidding? Unless you live in South America, 1/2 cup wheat only for young birds. Wow! Now if you were to say that you gave that much to break your birds down, then that is a different story. Some times for yearling to old birds, the day before a fly, I would let them go 24 hours with out feed. If they look a little under conditioned, I'll give them 1/4 to 1/2 the amount - of normal. But we are talking about young birds and not old birds.
My young birds get peas, wheat, and milo on their flying days. Once they start tumbling over good, I'll cut it to just wheat and milo. A good breeder mix for them off days during all their stages in the kit box.
Hell, currently I'm feeding 3 cups for my old bird team (28 birds). Even with that amount they are still acting very hungry.
Thor
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It's all about the friends we make :)
Last Edited by on Mar 18, 2008 9:13 AM
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