siddiqir
237 posts
Jun 28, 2006
12:28 PM
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We hear lot about a Cup
What it is?
When someone say a cup of feed what is really meant?
Thanks, -Rauf
Last Edited by siddiqir on Jun 28, 2006 12:31 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
615 posts
Jun 28, 2006
12:38 PM
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I think it is relative to the cup or utensil the person uses when feeding his kit birds. Some guys use a small plastic cup, some use soup cans, some tuna cans, etc. It isn't about the "one cup" but about knowing how much feed to serve based on the "cup" you use. I use these metal cooking cups that I picked up somewhere. Chefs use them for condiments during cooking from what I can gather. Several years ago I took a tablespoon (not a teaspoon) and put 20 full tablespoons of wheat in it. Then used a permanent marker to scribe a line on the inside of the cup. I only have to scoop up some feed in it and know that when the amount is at that line, that is 20 tablespoons of wheat. If the kit is less than 20 birds, I just toss a little bit out. If there are more, I make sure the amount is past the line. My particular cup will hold 30 tablespoons of wheat. For general maintenence flying I give a roughly 20 bird kit a full ration using this cup, which is more than 20 tablespoons.
The general concensus from everything I've ever gathered from conversations and posts is that most people assume one cup is 20 servings. The cup isn't what is important. Knowing the average amount of feed your birds require and how much that is in the utensil you use is what is important.
Brian.
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siddiqir
238 posts
Jun 28, 2006
12:54 PM
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Good Stuff Brain.
Here is my "dilemma" on a cup.
I have a standard US measure Cup bought from wal-mart (Kitchen section).
It holds 8 Oz of feed (I can tell because it has marking on it). A cup (my cup) can hold 16 tablespoons.
I feed average 1 Cup (8 Oz - 16 tablespoons) to 10 birds.
During summer I cut a bit about 6 Oz or 7 Oz depending upon the bird's action. During winter, when extremely cold I feed 8 + 4 = 12 Oz (1 1/2 Cup) to 10 birds.
Last Edited by siddiqir on Jun 29, 2006 7:31 AM
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bernie
5 posts
Jun 28, 2006
1:50 PM
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hey rauf...your ounces is fluid ounces which is a volume measurement - it has nothing to do with weight!!! Be careful.
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nicksiders
664 posts
Jun 28, 2006
2:46 PM
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Cup as in weight? How many cups to the pound?....are we getting sideways here?
As I said in the other thread the cup I used is for solid measure(my wife told me so). I got cups marked "1 CUP", "1/2 CUP", and "1/4 CUP" (there were other smaller cups, but I threw them away). My wife says they are for solid measure and not liquid and she is always right(LOL).
Geesh, this is making me an old man. I shouldn't be stumbling over this. Now when I bake I am going to question if I am using the correct measuring utensil for liquid or solids..........my cake and cookies will never be the same(LOL)
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by nicksiders on Jun 28, 2006 2:51 PM
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Santandercol
139 posts
Jun 28, 2006
5:18 PM
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Hey guys!!!A cup is a cup is a cup.Dry measure or liquid.2 tblsp to an ounce,8 ounces to a cup.I feed my Little Monty Neibel birds a tblspoon a day.So if I have 20 birds they get 20 tblspoons=10 ounces=1 cup 2 ounces.Never any food left in the tray 5 minutes later,so on rest days they get a treat and a bath.
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Kelly
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Velo99
518 posts
Jun 28, 2006
5:21 PM
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I bought the standard cooking utensil measuring cup set. Like brian said it is just what you use. Mine is a standard cup.
v99
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If they don`t kit,they don`t perform.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
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siddiqir
240 posts
Jun 29, 2006
7:43 AM
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I agree with Kelly. Same "CUP" I use and see "CUP" same way as he described.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
620 posts
Jun 29, 2006
11:50 AM
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One tablespoon of wheat for three weeks an my kits would be either starved to death or most of them dead from hitting something due to the starvation. One tablespoon is a tool, not a mandate.
Brian
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siddiqir
241 posts
Jun 29, 2006
1:13 PM
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I feed about 3/4 Cup (12 tablespoons) to 10 birds during summer and 1 Cup (16 tablespoon) during winter. The feed amount goes up and down by looking at bird's reaction specially wings action when feed tray put in...If wings are up and they moving around too much then bit more if not then bit less.
I feed mix (40% wheat 40% milo and 20% peas). I do not feed separate grains and birds seem to be picky...some eat peas, some wheat and some milo which is not good because not every one getting balance diet.
Ounce Conversion
1 teaspoon = 1/6 fluid ounce
1 Tablespoon = 0.5 fluid ounce
2 Tablespoons = 1 fluid ounce
8 Tablespoons = 4 fluid ounces
16 Tablespoons = 8 fluid ounces
1/4 cup = 2 fluid ounces
1 cup = 8 fluid ounces
Just imaging tell a new roller fancier to use a cup for 10 birds...it may take ages or even forever to know what is a "CUP" since every roller guy has its own "CUP"...FUNNY LOL
Any ways, I thought I checked what is a "CUP"...and there seem to be lot of variations.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
622 posts
Jun 29, 2006
1:29 PM
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People need to forget about the "cup". You could use a bucket, a thimble, a big gulp cup or even your hand. The container item is irrelevant. The key is understanding what "amount" the birds require. The vessel "cup" is just a means of carrying it from the feed bag to the feed tray.
As Rauf noted, he pays attention to what his birds are telling him and adjusts according to what he thinks is necessary. Keep in mind that rollers are crafty actors and will act more hungry than they usually are. Let the fly time and performance dictate the amount, not how they act in the kit box. They will fool you quick if you let them...lol.
Every's cup is different. Everyone's tablespoon is the same size. If I tell you to feed a 20 bird kit 30 tablespoons of a grain, you will know exactly how much to feed them.
If I tell you to feed them one cup, a person will have no idea what size cup I am referring to.
Brian.
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Opinionated Blowhard
49 posts
Jun 29, 2006
3:42 PM
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For heavens sake. If you say you feed a cup please specify a measuring cup or say what kind of other cup you use. Grain doesnt all weigh the same. Thats why a 50 pound bag of safflower is much larger than a 50 pound bag of peas. Kevin
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siddiqir
242 posts
Jun 29, 2006
7:45 PM
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Kevin, I use "US standard" measure cup (bought from grocery store), and if you go and get one for yourself it would be same CUP I am referring and using
This information is 100% correct IF you use US Standard Measure CUP...
1 Cup = 8 fluid ounces = 16 tablespoons
And again 1 Cup of safflower is not equal to 1 Cup of wheat as far as feeding amount because of the density of the grains.
For example
My birds fly 30 minutes if I feed 1/2 Cup (mix - wheat/milo/peas)
Now if I have to feed just wheat and want the birds to stay in the air for 30 minutes then I would give 1 Cup to get the same results because of density of the grain.
Thanks, -Rauf
Last Edited by siddiqir on Jun 29, 2006 7:53 PM
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Santandercol
140 posts
Jun 29, 2006
8:21 PM
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Brian,
I'm sure different families eat different amounts of grain.My Neibel birds are tiny & compact.I have a pair of english imports which are heavier birds and their young seem to want more food than the others.
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Kelly
Last Edited by Santandercol on Jun 29, 2006 8:37 PM
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