siddiqir
248 posts
Jul 26, 2006
8:08 AM
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Hello, I have few birds which flips too much and too often (kind of 2 feet roll). All I see them is flipping rolling (can not fly) for time they are in the air.
Because of this behavior they do not fly much...They are about 4 months old...any idea how I can fix this problem. They disturbed other birds which would like to fly.
Cull?
Change feed?
Rest?
More protein?
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, -Rauf
Last Edited by siddiqir on Jul 26, 2006 8:23 AM
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nicksiders
735 posts
Jul 26, 2006
9:22 AM
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Keep flying them. At four months old they have not had time to really "certify" yet. Most birds really don't "certify" until about 8 months old; some take up to a year. If they are coming down early flag them back up; they will get the point unless they are dumb asses. If they are dumb asses cull them.
My opinion only and not to be confussed with the facts(LOL).
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by nicksiders on Jul 26, 2006 9:22 AM
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J_Star
543 posts
Jul 26, 2006
10:30 AM
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You need to take the weather consideration also. Is it too hot for them to fly the full length of time? Don't forget even thou they are all young but they are not all created equal in strength and stamina.
It could be that they are not eating as fast and as much as the other birds in the kitbox, which will affect their flight duration. At that age, it won't hurt to add some vitamins to the water for them to get extra strength to do the desired flying time.
I truly believe that too much protein will make the birds fly lower and faster than normal and that will work against what you are trying to achieve. The higher the birds get, within the reasonable height limit, the better for the birds to do the time you require of them.
I had similar problem with some young birds, so I collected them and put them in a kit by themselves so they won't disturb the rest of the birds. I worked with them separately until they became strong.
On other occasion, I introduced couple of the trouble youngsters to the well established older kit. As you know, the birds want to kit, therefore, will take the new ones along with them for the desired height and flight duration. After a few days, put them back where they belonged before and the problem usually corrected.
It is possible that none of the above might work with your birds but they are just ideas that might get you there based on my experiences with my own birds. Good luck.
Jay
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
112 posts
Jul 26, 2006
6:33 PM
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Sid, these are what Pensom called mad tumblers. You are the coach and it's your tolerance and patience, but some of these birds get over this mad tumbling and the ones that do end up being real nice frequent birds in the air.
If you work with them try extra energy feed ,even a pinch of sugar in there mouth and wait 10 minutes,(it gives them a sugar high)
Later Dude
R-LUNA
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siddiqir
250 posts
Jul 27, 2006
8:06 AM
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Hmmm, sounds like try out thing...the only thing they do roll/flip. I have seprated them. Will see what they do...they were actually doing good last month, fly good, fly at good height, but roll did not hit at that time. Thanks guys for yout input.
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Alohazona
175 posts
Jul 27, 2006
9:23 AM
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Sid,
I have had birds start at good depth,15 ft,and with frequency turn into short 5 to 10 ft overfrequent performers.Even though they rolled,nothing ever straightened out with them,feed etc..In my books they are a cull or a gift to someone.It would be a different story if it was that special trigger bird,but more likely than not its a fault and not worth your time.There are better birds to breed.Someone told me take that frequent spinner and put it on a deep bird,I thought it would be a waste of time trying to breed that right combination...Aloha,Todd
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J_Star
546 posts
Jul 27, 2006
12:48 PM
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Well, I had some birds that were terrible when young and I was patient with them, they turned out to be some of the best spinners. Also had some birds that were excellent when they were young and did everything right until age 9 months and start to fall a part. So, for that reason I give young birds room to be just pigeons until they become a year old after that all bets are off. They shape up or will ship out to the garbage can.
My point Rauf is to patient for a while and judge them at a later date unless you are in need for perch space. Each family of rollers goes thru different stages of maturity and along with that is a different level of behavior and performance. Therefore, you need to learn where yours will fit in, which I am sure you do, but sometimes they pull a different one that they make you scratch you head thinking what the heck did that come from.
Jay
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siddiqir
252 posts
Jul 28, 2006
9:51 AM
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Yes, I separated those 7 birds...they go up...and when I look at them I do not see any power in wings...their wings just try to roll/flips...they may be loaded with roll and can not handle it...I start giving them straight wheat and keep fly them although they do only 7-10 minutes fly..
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Velo99
568 posts
Jul 28, 2006
4:08 PM
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Rauf,
Why would you feed 4 month old birds straight wheat?They need a balanced diet and lots of carbs for their growing bodies. I think you are expecting too much too soon.You should give them at least 4 more months before you start jacking the feed.
Think of it this way,they are only 16 weeks old.Would you expect a 16 week old baby to run a marathon or just roll over in the crib?
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
Last Edited by Velo99 on Jul 28, 2006 4:11 PM
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siddiqir
253 posts
Jul 31, 2006
11:51 AM
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Velo99, they were getting good feed (wheat, milo, peas) mix since weaned. I thought try some thing different to see if they start behaving. They do not bother me at the moment becuase they were seprated. So I let them fly and see what they will do. Temp. are in triple digits, they're moulting, so once weather start cooling and moult is over they may show some work...
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