parlorfancier916
137 posts
Aug 14, 2006
11:23 AM
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another low minded question I am wondering, I read the article by Paul M Gomez about the twizzler, he wrote
"polished individual who is capable of rotating in platelike fashion at the end of a first class spin at very high speed?" ohkay, my question is, how do birds twizzle? I mean I don't understand or I can't picturize this.
Last Edited by parlorfancier916 on Aug 14, 2006 11:26 AM
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nicksiders
785 posts
Aug 14, 2006
1:35 PM
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Usually at the end of a roll they open up thier wings and do a twist that looks like a hilocopter blade(just not as fast). Not a desirable trait in todays competitions.
It was once a desirable happening like wing switching. 50 years ago a roller that would during a long roll do all kinds of gyrating; flip-flopping; twizzling was desirable during a roll. Now we want a high velocity; straight down; tight spinning; and a quick snap out of it at the end.
What YOU like as the breeder is up to you. If you choose the later you can do well in competitions.
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Snicker Rollers
Last Edited by nicksiders on Aug 14, 2006 8:53 PM
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ezeedad
339 posts
Feb 15, 2008
11:04 PM
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I came across this old post... This was before I ever posted on this site... I was curious about what Pensom describes in his book... I was quoting Pensom. He included the Twizzle as one characteristic that a champion might have. Also, he distinguished the twizzle as being far superior to a plate roll, which I used to see back in the 60s and 70s but which seems to have disappeared.
Paul
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Scott
23 posts
Feb 16, 2008
8:11 AM
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And thank God it did Paul LOL (disapear)as all it is,is a bird fighting coming out of the roll and nothing else. Pensom spoke of this in his earlier writings but not in his latter writings, he progressed as the years clipped by.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
Last Edited by on Feb 16, 2008 8:15 AM
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CSRA
1375 posts
Feb 16, 2008
8:20 AM
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I understand the twizzler as a bird may be landing it will twizzle so it would not have an accident by committing to the roll twizzle is not a plate roll
Last Edited by on Feb 16, 2008 8:21 AM
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Scott
25 posts
Feb 16, 2008
8:29 AM
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True , when low they should twizle,tumble or what have you, good birds will do anything except commit to the roll when unsafe.
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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ezeedad
340 posts
Feb 16, 2008
11:06 AM
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Scott,
Pensom wrote that..they are "polished individuals" and that the twizzle is in plate-like fashion... at very high speed. Also that they will sometimes "go right into this outspread wing action and do nothing else"
He also said that the performance of the champion roller would consist of a solid spin, continued by...twizzling plus a series of 'mad' tumbles...
And he said that "of all the famous breeders I knew, I did not discover one who did not mate his birds to meet that ideal."
So we must be talking about something different here.
I've seen plate rolls too, and I wouldn't say that they are done in an effort to resist the roll. I looked to me that the birds just liked doing it...
Paul
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Scott
33 posts
Feb 16, 2008
11:11 AM
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Paul , the mechanics of the birds and the roll indicate that it is nothing more than fighting coming out of the roll,it isn't rocket science. they either fully commit to the spin or they don't.
The more Pensom learned about the breed the more he evolved
Scott
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Just my Opinion
Scott
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ezeedad
341 posts
Feb 16, 2008
11:20 AM
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Nicksiders,
I think that the long straight spin was always considered the goal of the roller breeder, and in the 60s I think there were a much higher percentage of birds that would roll very deep. Birds that switched wings during the roll were looked down on in my circles.
It looks to me like the breed is becoming more limited in its definition and in its performance. I've seen most breeds evolve in the time that I've bred rollers... with the possible exception of racing homers... so why should rollers be different?
Gomez
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