JKGOTROLL
6 posts
Aug 21, 2006
9:20 AM
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WHEN PUTING A PAIR TOGETHER IS EYE COLOR A FACTOR ?? THANKS
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
690 posts
Aug 21, 2006
11:22 AM
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It matters to some people. Doesn't matter to me.
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bman
44 posts
Aug 21, 2006
12:03 PM
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Not here!
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Ron
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nicksiders
802 posts
Aug 21, 2006
12:40 PM
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Most of the people that frequent this sight are performance minded only and give little or no credence to color of any kind either it be eyes or feathers or anything else. They most generally are looking to breed great performers to great performers to achieve greater performance. I believe great performers come from all kinds of colored eyes with no one specific color being the best producer. There are those in the racing bird world that believe strongly in eye sign. In the roller world I am looking at the eyes to give me signs of health levels only. I feel the only requirement that there be two of them; one on each side of the head. But, if they are champion level spinners I would take less than two and they don't necessarily have to be on the side of the head(LOL).
It is all about what your best performers from YOUR family produces. In your family your best performers may have lemon eyes, but in my family my best may have orange eyes.
Now, this is my opinion only and I researve the right to change my mind(LOL).
I believe color in any capacity does not have anything to do with performance or we all would have the same color of everything.
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Snicker Rollers
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Tony Chavarria
Site Publisher
785 posts
Aug 21, 2006
2:10 PM
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Ditto Snickers
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FLY ON! Tony Chavarria
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Velo99
590 posts
Aug 21, 2006
3:55 PM
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The only correlation I have seen between eye color and performance is the white griz with pearl eyes. Sometimes they will have a tendency to roll down or produce an inordinate amount of the same.
jmho
v99
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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dave
135 posts
Aug 21, 2006
4:13 PM
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It all depends on the family. A friend of mine likes to breed yellow/orange eyes to pearl. He says that is yellow/orange eyes are hotter and the pearl has more control and a lot stronger.
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nicksiders
804 posts
Aug 21, 2006
7:54 PM
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Has nothing to do with color. It is always family related. Don't assume what is happening in your loft is happening in everyone elses loft. Your white grizzle is not the same white grizzle in someone elses loft. How easy it would be if it were. The pearl eye in your friends loft is not the same pearl eye in someone elses loft.
I have a hen who is a 40 footer with style and velocity. She has cracked eyes. She is a breeder and whenever she throws a bird with cracked eyes it too resembles her performance at about 85% of the time. Does that mean all cracked eye birds are great performers? Absolutely not. What it means is that in my family of birds the cracked eyed birds are performers; in my family only. In someone elses loft they may end up being culls.
What it really boils down to is the size of the feet; the bigger the feet the better the performance. The bigger the feet the better they roll.
Joking!
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Snicker Rollers
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J_Star
571 posts
Aug 22, 2006
5:30 AM
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I know that eye color has nothing to do with performance. In my family of birds, I have the bull, pearl, orange and lemon eyes. They are all good performers. I have also odd eyes birds that perform as well. Performance is in the gene not the eyes. Control is in the strength of the mind not the feet (lol). Hope this helps.
Jay
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Huey
13 posts
Aug 22, 2006
6:58 AM
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What's a bull eye?
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Velo99
592 posts
Aug 22, 2006
8:47 AM
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Simply pointing out that sometimes there is a correlation in some families to eye color, feather color and performance
http://www.roller-pigeon.com/board/board_topic.cfm/859782/175632
Huey, bull eye is the pigmented cornea ,dark eye,which gives the bird sunglasses.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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nicksiders
806 posts
Aug 22, 2006
9:38 AM
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Kenny,
In the thread you referenced Mongrel Lofts post is one that, to me anyway, rings well. If you are chasing a color to find performance it just ain't going to happen. Right now the hottest bird I have in my kit box is a blue bar. I have grizzles on the stiff side.
Nick
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Snicker Rollers
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parlorfancier916
143 posts
Aug 22, 2006
12:57 PM
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who cares about eye color, it's all about performance..
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Velo99
593 posts
Aug 22, 2006
4:48 PM
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Nick,
I don`t chase color. I was simply pointing out that SOMETIMES eye color is an indicator. In various families after breeding for several rounds,the breeder learns colors markings and eye color are indicative of performance,based on the performance of previous seasons or birds from a particular pair.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Huey
14 posts
Aug 23, 2006
6:44 AM
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I care. I looked at my pigeons and realize I don't know how to tell what there eye color. I don't really care which colors I have. I do care that I am ignorant of how to which is which on eye color.
I also believe one can bred for conformation as well as perfromance in and animal.
A man once told me "The cost of knowledge is great, but not so great as the cost of ignorance." That seems to have been true in most areas of my live. I just wish to remove my ignorance.
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3757
77 posts
Aug 23, 2006
6:51 AM
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I agree with Nick. Color, be it eye or feather pigmentation, means nothing as long as the bird is not blind or bare like a silky it is a non issues for performance. Some families may have hot Checks and stiff grizzles or vice or versa.
Last Edited by on Feb 23, 2008 5:43 AM
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J_Star
575 posts
Aug 23, 2006
8:33 AM
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Per Dr. LD last comment said 'some families may have hot Checks and stiff grizzles or vice or versa.' I really don't see that in my family. My family of birds consists of so many colors and patterns. The performance is equal across the board. Is it possible because they all have blue bar base. Meaning that no matter how I mate them, I still get blue bar youngsters even if the parents don’t show any blue bar pattern.
Jay
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katyroller
45 posts
Aug 24, 2006
8:00 PM
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I don't put much thought into eye color when breeding BUT with some families I think it could be worth looking at. I can think of one loft in particular that produces alot of hot pearl eyes but other eye colors are more stable. I don't blame it on body color or eye color but poor past and current breeding choices. If I were to get any birds from this breeder I would consider mates with orange or lemon eyes, hoping to breed more stability into the pearl eyes.
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fhtfire
559 posts
Aug 24, 2006
8:17 PM
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Bull eyed is a bird that has black eyes...it is like the bird iw wearing sunglasses...the true color is underneath. I agree with Kenny to a point. You can't say that all grizzles are hot...you can say grizzles are hot in a particular family. I have birds of all colors that are hot, stiff and just right. As for agreeing with kenny..he is right on the button that if you breed your birds and know your birds...you can tell that some pairs will produce a certain color that is on the hot side. Kenny has a pair of my birds that if they come out dunn...they will bounce off the ground..9 times out of ten...if they come out balck or black badge or pepper head..the odds are they could be a good roller...I have a pair that produces Blacks and Blue bars..the Blacks are usually kick ass and the blue bars are 50/50...so you can get a good guess on performance by the colors certain PROVEN pairs produce.
But you never chase eye color or feather color..you choose from the air.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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