nicksiders
810 posts
Aug 23, 2006
11:33 AM
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You can’t breed for both show and performance and be successful at both. Color has nothing to do with performance. Repeat after me: Color has nothing to do with performance. One more time: Color has nothing to do with performance. DON'T CHASE COLOR TO ACHIEVE PERFORMANCE!
The breeders of “suicide rollers” should be fined or jailed. They are no different than cock fighters who place metal blades where the spurs are or dog fighters. Same cruel mentality.
Rolldowns are a major defect and should never go into the breeding loft. It should be taboo to breed from them and staunchly discouraged.
To introduce a different breed to the Birmingham Roller to achieve a certain color, spread, or shape should always be strongly discouraged. PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE BREED.
There is no eye sign in rollers and there probably ain’t one in racing birds either. Just a bunch of hokkis-pokkis bull shit. It changes with each winner. Eye color has nothing to do with nothing. Eyes are just a window to health and intelligence
Never have anything but your best in the breeding loft. Only those birds of great character should qualify. I wish I had the intelligence to describe what character is that can be understood, but I can’t. It is a “look” the bird has that tells you he is the best. Maybe one of these days someone will be able to communicate what this “look” is all about. But not me at this time and place.
Good feed, what, and how much you feed should be high on your priority list to get a command of. You control your birds through feed.
Always have grit available for your breeders. Throw a hand full of grit now and then to your kit birds.
Fresh drinking water all of the time and spike it with vitamins and minerals.
MAKE SURE YOUR LOFT AND FEED ARE KEPT DRY. This is extremely important. Probably the most important thing you do to guard the health of your birds.
Keep your loft simple, clean, uncluttered, and rodent free.
Don’t medicate healthy birds.
Only pass on good sound birds. No culls! Cull your culls. A cull is any bird you WOULDN’T have. Pass on the birds you CAN’T have. You can’t keep ’em all.
If you don’t have the guts to properly and responsibly cull your unwanted birds then you need to rethink if this is the hobby you want to be in. The worse thing you could do with birds is to release them into the wild far enough away in hopes they will not return. It is no different than putting an unwanted dog or cat out in the country, dumping them. Do the responsible thing.
Grizzles are no hotter than any other hot bird. I will puke the next time I hear the phrase a “double dose of grizzle” to increase frequency. Don’t you get it!?
The Birmingham Roller is a performance breed. Why would you want to breed it for any other purpose? If you what to breed for other things find another breed that matches your desires.
You can’t pick performance off the perch. It is said Bill Pensom could do it; you are not Bill Pensom.
Once you have studied, listened, observed, and have a solid understanding of what you want from this hobby develop a plan and stick with that plan. It doesn’t mean you don’t make subtle little adjustments and modifications to that plan. Just stick with your plan. Don’t keep changing that plan because someone else has a different plan.
Keep your gene pool manageable. The wider it gets the harder it is to manage it. “Hybrid vigor” gives you a one year flash and then you have to start all over again the next year by introducing another strain to your gene pool. Your gene pool gets wider and wider and more and more out of control. You can get all of the vigor you want by good sound selective breeding within your own family.
Even if you don’t compete, fly like you are. Set them up on a schedule for an imaginary competition day and prep them for competition…….its fun.
If you are not having fun in this hobby, why are you in it?
I have modified some of the statements I made in this post because after re-reading them I found that some where offensive to even me. To my friends who may have been offended and are currently still holding a grudge opinion of me I apologise..........so get over it!
These are just my opinions and I am the asshole......oops, I think I said that wrong....it just don't look right.
Well, I got a right to change my mind.
Nick
Last Edited by on Jan 10, 2007 7:32 PM
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chandlerTX
11 posts
Aug 23, 2006
11:41 AM
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Nice post Nick. I noticed that is post #810. Have you retired, or reserved your right to change your mind on that one.
Chad
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
696 posts
Aug 23, 2006
12:36 PM
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Good post Nick.
Brian.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
776 posts
Aug 23, 2006
1:33 PM
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Nick.You need to make that in to a poster and sell it.Good one. David
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motherlodelofts
877 posts
Aug 23, 2006
2:59 PM
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C,mon Nick tell us how you really feel LOL Most I agree with .
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Aug 23, 2006 3:32 PM
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rollerpigeon1963
97 posts
Aug 23, 2006
4:41 PM
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Nick,
This is my last post on this site. But I want to say thank you for you insight about your second sentence in your post. To judge someone for something they do is dead wrong. If they choose to do these things well its there business. I have a lot of very very good friends that breed color rollers. I have a lot of friends that have won with color birds in club fly's to world cup. But no matter what they do they can bet there bottom doller they are still my friend. I have have good friends that breed nothing but pure rollers {birmingham}again they will tell you they are still my friend.
But what they choose to do or base there opinions about eye color to eye sign.I let them be themselve because if they were all like me will I think there would be more murders witn in our hobby.
But since I have gamecocks and choose to do what I want with them means I'm not someones friend or yours? I'm low life and shouldn't be allowed to breathe the air. Well I guess I will have to quit judging pigeons competitions. I should just sit at the house and be a hermit. Don't call people who I thought I was there friend. My pigeons wouldn't be worth a pint of cold piss. SO I guess I need to quit giving them away. I guess those guys who I sent kits of birds to {free of charge} needs to go ahead and kill them or just give them back.
So like I said this is my last post. I still think of you as a friend. You have your ways and I have mine. that is why we are called humans. Best of luck with the birds.
Your good friend Brian Middaugh
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fhtfire
556 posts
Aug 23, 2006
4:59 PM
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Hey...Good post Nick..you must be drinking my red bulls..get all hyped up..LOL!! Good post.
Brian,
How come you are not posting anymore. I don't think that he said that people who raise game cocks are bad..just the people who fight them. I myself have witnessed game cock fights in Mexico and really did not like them..but that is just me. People who raise game cocks are totally ok...game cocks are some of the most beautiful cocks I have ever seen...there plumage is second to none. I often check out your site to look at you game cock photos. So...I hope you are not leaving the site because of one comment..hell if I left for every one comment I would have left a long time ago. I know you as a person and consider you a friend..that is why you have that kick ass producing pair of Campbell birds...but because you raise game cocks does not change a thing...even if you fought them..Do I like to watch fighting chickens fight..no I do not...but that does not mean I will not like people who fight them. Anyway...I hope that you do not take those comments to heart...it is not worth it..that is why we are fortunate to live in USA...so everyone can have an opinion...it is just a personal opinion...just remember you are your own man like you said and free to do what you want...remember a real man can except another mans opinion and move on Again, you have beautiful birds..pigeons and game cocks...Hope you stick around
rock and ROLL
Paul
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rollerpigeon1963
98 posts
Aug 23, 2006
6:39 PM
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Paul,
I'm getting burned/bummed out with the hobby right now. Need to take a back seat here and let others take over. I pulled myself off all the list and trying to give a couple away. Will be turning over the site here soon. So many people always wants to complain about the negative. Never the positive any more!
About the gamecock issue, well its like the people in the roller hobby. Tread lightly over ones toes because it could bite ya in the ba$$ later.
What I do with the gamefowl is my business!! but for one to cast stones and stero type me well I believe I'm different. I gave and gave to the hobby {rollers} never asking for nothing. I give my time away from my family to help with this hobby. From running the website to judging competitions. I wouldn't take any of it back because I did enjoy do it.
The comment isn't the reason for me leaving.
Its the pushing ideas down peoples throats. Some will listen but there is always the few that will do thing there own way. I just get tired of hearing it!
With the gamefowl I'm respected! When I walk into a show or if I ref. Everyone will know that I'll be fair and honest and will be tough. Not, oh you cant do that or this because it's going to take you down the wrong road.
I told Nick I'm still his friend, I still have respect for him. It might be the other way around for him. It's a free country to speak your peace. Your opinion is yours but I don't cast shadows becuase what you do with your own business or birds.
seriously this the last and I'm sorry for posting again.
Brian Middaugh
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motherlodelofts
879 posts
Aug 23, 2006
6:41 PM
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Brian , he was talking about gay cock fighters wearing pink tu-tu's and useing game cocks with top knots , not the real game fighters !!!!!!!!
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Aug 23, 2006 6:52 PM
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Velo99
597 posts
Aug 23, 2006
7:23 PM
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Brian,
I feel your pain bro. Do what you gotta do. If it was family or birds I would kill every bird and tear down my buildings I have in a second.
Write down my email twentylugnuts@yahoo.com Gimme a holler every now and then.
Good luck and peace to you my friend
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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JMUrbon
14 posts
Aug 23, 2006
8:47 PM
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Nick, First off I think this was a wonderful demonstration of one mans opinion. When you are on a list such as this than basicly that is all we have is our opinion. I have read post from novices as well as seasoned veteran fliers and it seems for every positive input there is somebody out there that has to add their negative input. Right,wrong or indifferent we are all entitled to our opinion. I for one feel that what another man does in his backyard weather it be with rollers, gamecocks or fairy conventions is his personal buisiness. Until he involves me . Further more until he asks for my opinion on the subject by either putting it on a list such as this or directly then I will continue keep my opinion to myself.
On a different note Brian I will tell you that I honestly appreciate all that you have given to the NBRC and truly understand your sacrafices. Joe Urbon
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
127 posts
Aug 24, 2006
6:41 AM
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YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!! NICK, great post. Been out for a minute(busy with the birds and traning). I agree with all you said , except one writing ,,the eye sign you can tell alot about birds with eye sign, it is definately not the only factor to look for but rather a piece of the puzzle, just as feather and type is,some will say that the smaller roller will be a better spinner, that to is BOGUS, i have seen bigger birds spin faster then the smaller birds,(i think i got off track) back to the eye the color of the eye has nothing to do with performance as quoted before,but the signs of the eye will help you read along with health, a good quality bird...When i breed i prefer to mix my color of birds eyes,pearl to orange (vice versa)and so on. Later
R-LUNA
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dave
136 posts
Aug 24, 2006
8:24 AM
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Greed, Why do you breed pearl to yellow?
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Sourland
80 posts
Aug 24, 2006
9:03 AM
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Brian, I absolutely understand where you are coming from. Opinions are great. Disagreement and controversy are also good. I for one am unable to understand how one individual can set himself up as "Lord God Almighty" to pass judgement on another simply because he is doing something different. Just an opinion-not a judgement.
Geo.
Last Edited by Sourland on Aug 24, 2006 9:03 AM
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J_Star
577 posts
Aug 24, 2006
10:35 AM
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Nick and Brian,
It was and is a great pleasure knowing you through the forum correspondence. You guys have been solid performers on the site and are peace loving individuals.
Although, to me the reasons given for ceasing your participation in this forum or other forums are, with due respect, is not truly convincing. It is your choice to say good bye to your friends and move on and we all will respect that.
When it comes to posts that promote pickering, fighting, hard opinions and conflicts, it is up to each individual choice to participate or stay on the sideline reading the post without participating or simply click over it and move to the next thread.
As a moderator, I promote friendship, respect and harmony amongst the participants. Some people acknowledge their behavior when they cross boundaries while others might not give a darn about others feeling and peace of mind as long as they are feeling superiority. This will only give you a solid indication of who you would want to correspond with and who you would always wish to avoid so that you won’t get into confrontation and heated discussion and arguments with. We have conflicts through out the world everyday and in some instance it become despicable but we cannot cease living and avoid people because of world issues. We all manage to go through it with stride…
It is a matter of respect and we all still respect you whether you are retiring or calling it quits for what ever reason you chose. It is just hard to say good bye to respected individuals in this or any hobby. I would like to wish you the best in your endeavors through your life and wish you the best of luck. Just peak in from time to time and say hi to the rest of the roller community on this forum. Thanks for all your service and support.
Jay Alnimer
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mammoth hill lofts
11 posts
Aug 24, 2006
12:55 PM
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Good post Nick, I read eye sign and think its useful but, on the other note I have some great bull eyed spinners coming along! LoL
Brian, I appreciate all that you have done for the NBRC and the hobby and you have every right to do just as you please. I just wish you'd stay on the lists. I think there's a distinct place for each and everyone of us roller flyers on these forums! Mark
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tapp
117 posts
Aug 24, 2006
5:45 PM
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Brian, I remember over a year ago I aked my first question on here and you answered it with in a few minutes! I was glued to the monitor waiting. You've answered alot of my questions and helped me with other things as well. Sure wish you'd stay. Your friend, Kim Tappenden
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Tapp
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
128 posts
Aug 25, 2006
6:18 AM
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DAVE, whats going on? When i have a yellow eyed bird i do not put it to a pearl eye, i'll put it to a orange eye. The reason i switich eye colors is that with in my family i have had experinces keeping pearl to pearl orange to orange ,that i needed to switich either being to hot or to much fly. I also try to keep the color facotor to a balance, like light colors to dark colors, keeping the color of eyes in balance also, i have seen many breeders breed dark to dark and turn out was to much fly and stiff, on the lighter to lighter colors , it was to much heat.
Later
R-LUNA
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bman
45 posts
Aug 25, 2006
8:09 AM
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Brian M.
Although we have only spoken a few times I think your departure is great loss to this forum.If you have time in september I hope you can stop over I'll supply the beer.
As far as color,patterns,eyes etc.IMHO your chasing a handfull of smoke.
As far as a loft of pearl eye dark checks,from what I have heard in Scott's case you end up with a bunch of birds that look like a bunch of "commies" but that can flat smoke.LOL
Ron
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Ron
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
129 posts
Aug 25, 2006
8:22 AM
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Ah,, Scott,,, A trick question,lol,. that is why i wrote with in my family , i was not writing in a general statement. I try to keep with in my family (balance), eveything in perspective, type ,feather ,eye, color,temperment,charater,and genetics .
Later Dude
R-LUNA
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dave
137 posts
Aug 25, 2006
12:03 PM
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Thanks for clarifying. So, in some families eye color can help as an indicator of their trait.
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motherlodelofts
881 posts
Aug 25, 2006
4:49 PM
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Actually Richard I agree with you, freguency will follow traits such as color and eye on the breed as a whole , but may not on individule birds or particular families.
Recesive Red and Grizzle are good examples , they follow particular traits because particular charactor tend to follow particilar traits.
Same holds true with hard feather and soft feather which tend to follow particular color ,weak/strong charactor will tend to follow these traits , notice I said "tend".
As for my family they will do the same and Kenny Billings brought several things to my attention that I have since learned to hold true hold (invaluable info for this family).
One being smokey in the birds being the weaker side and dirty (black beaks, black toes) as being the stronger stiffer side.
I have found this to hold true , and if you breed towards the stong side they will stiffen up , as for eye color , I don't get enough Orange to really learn how it plays in but I'm tending to think it's depth but that could be due to that is what the O/E birds that I breed is throwing it.
On pearl , that come's with various shades and depth , the richer depth Pearl eye birds tend to be more likely to produce but the flat pearl eye can roll hard as any.
Just small tools to use when all else seems equel or near equel.
As for the Res. Reds in the family , they tend to be the washed out type that have blue showing through , not the rich in color type that tend to run weaker charactor type , these birds are no different than the checkers except tend to run stronger than the smokey Blue or dark checks.
I think a tight family is critical and is the only way to learn these little traits as they tend to run more consistantly than an open gene pool which only makes sence.
I'm flying out 5 youngters from my buddy Joe Emberton (04 NBRC 20 bird Champ) for the NCRC futuraty , all but one are "smokey" Blue checkers out of his best, I found that interesting.
Scott
Last Edited by motherlodelofts on Aug 25, 2006 6:53 PM
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Newflyer
72 posts
Aug 26, 2006
6:26 PM
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Something for each and every one of us to thinks about. Opinions are like A** HOLES. Everyone has one. The dictionary …. Opinion…a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
You don’t have to accept it. If you don’t, then just let it go. Fact… a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Make your own decision
Far too much bickering like this goes on in this forum. Enough is enough. Let’s get back to the principals of this forum and the principals of raising B/Rs. Sharing knowledgeable facts about the B/RS, not only the competion aspsect but especially the BACK YARD flyer and not ones opinions about them. Far too much emphasis is put on the wrong things. I didn’t join this forum to listen to OPINIONS . I joined to get the FACTS about the B/R. Lord knows, that my opinions are of no value to anyone, but ME….LOL…. And this is FACT.
Paul
Last Edited by Newflyer on Aug 26, 2006 7:32 PM
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J_Star
580 posts
Aug 28, 2006
5:25 AM
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Paul and Electric man,
I don’t see anything wrong with people sharing their opinions here in this thread or on this forum in general. There was no bickering of any kind in this thread either. From both of your posts, you guys make it sound like the list owes you their knowledge and the list are required to tell you everything you want to know and you are demanding that because of your god given right (lol). No, one owes you anything and if you don’t like to read people's opinion just simply don’t. Paul, I am truly surprised by your post and It is offending.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Aug 28, 2006 5:54 AM
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Electric-man
10 posts
Aug 28, 2006
9:32 AM
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I'm out! Good luck to you guys that truly love the hobby, I enjoy the heck out of it. Sorry, guess Im just a different breed of animal. Nobody owes me nothing, didn't mean to come off that way. I have spent my life alone and probably better off to keep it that way. Guess that's why I like animals so much. Signing out!
P.S. I still agree with you Paul, maybe I'll catch you on another site some day. Good luck!
Last Edited by Electric-man on Aug 28, 2006 10:10 AM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
701 posts
Aug 28, 2006
10:14 AM
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Paul, there are very few "facts" about the BR. Pretty much it is more a matter of opinion proved by the fact that works for one guys, doesn't work for another. Facts work for everyone.
Brian.
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Newflyer
74 posts
Aug 28, 2006
12:19 PM
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Thanks, Electric-Man..maybe we will meet somewhere down the road of life. We two could be cut from the same piece of cloth. Brian, you are right about what you say. Thats been proven many a time. I just thing that this forum could be put to better use if all the negitavity was not emphasised so much. And who's words are GOD...Its seems to be that William Pensom's words are what everyone quotes on these forums. To me,its like his words are the only words of truth. And alot of people are ridding on his coat tail so to speak. I guess its all right to express ones opinions,but not to the point that if you don't go along with them you get critisied strongly.Example: the first few statements of this thread. I rest my case. Maybe, I too will take a rest from this forum. Too much is put into the competitive angle and not for the BEST interest of the flying of the rollers itself; Thats just the way I see things thru the eyes of a newflyer in rollers. And Jay, I don't mean to offend YOU especially in any way.
Paul
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
703 posts
Aug 28, 2006
1:08 PM
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Paul, the best forums, no matter what hobby it is about, are the ones where people are able to express their opinions and experiences about different topics. I am on a lot of different types of forums for my various hobbies and the best ones, the most visited ones and the most participated in ones are those where the members speak freely about their opinions. Difference of opinion is what generally gets more people to express themselves. And in some cases, probably quite a few cases, there are things that can be learned from such discussions. Threads have a way of mutating in different directions as they go along.
Rule #1 for participating in forums such as this is not to take things personal.
That little white box we sit here and type what we are thinking into is actually a positive. We often contribute thoughts and opinions which many wouldn't or couldn't say in person. In the end, we learn more about what others think, which for some people, can lead to a source of informal information they probably wouldn't have learned anywhere else.
The hobby of rollers is extremely diverse, though we all rally around largely the same center point; a pigeon rolling. I've only met a few fanciers who truly think a like. Most have differences of opinion. Neither is right or wrong. It is just their opinion.
As I said before, there are few true hard core facts with rollers. Each person's goal and experiences are different from the next guy. If two guys disagree with one another, that is not arguing, nor is it a negative. That is simply two guys disagreeing about a topic which will inevitably include other opinions as well. A good example is this thread right here.
Roller flying welcomes a wealth of interests from the backyard free-flyer who just likes seeing his pigeons roll once in while all the way to the hard core competition kit manager. I am on a few lists where for the most part, most guys are pretty much on the same page in terms of what they expect from their birds. Or, they respect one another too much and don't say what they really feel. Those lists are largely dead as a door nail most of the time. Why? Because there isn't anything to talk about that hasn't already been said and largely, most agree on the topics.
There are no Gods here, only people who share their opinions. I don't agree with some of the comments others might post and I am free to express my disagreement or simply just read and not say anything.
While some might not like it, forums such as these provide a very unique service to the hobby. We are provided with a channel to express ourselves in a manner which doesn't carry the burden of having to "please" someone or "avoid a face-to-face exchange of opposing words."
My suggestion is to just take comments and posts you don't care for with stride. One person's opinion will not change anything in your roller enjoyment world if you don't allow it to. As the saying goes, "...like water off a duck's back".
Brian
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Major-ret
29 posts
Aug 28, 2006
2:41 PM
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Excellent post Nick and I pray it's not the last. I/everyone would certaily miss your objectivity/experience and great sense of humor! Brian, well said!!! Having completed my 1st year, I believe I would never have gotten out of the "kitbox" - let alone knew what a kitbox was if this type of forum wasn't available. When threads become over-the-top I just click the mouse and move on. I think this hobby is difficult because we are working with a live, always in a state of flux, bird. They just don't always follow the game plan laid out for them and just when you think it's maybe figured out something else pops up. So you get differing opinions/points of view from a very diverse group of people. It does make it entertaining though, along with educating. Steve
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Velo99
600 posts
Aug 28, 2006
3:29 PM
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Paul,Paul,Paul.
He didn`t even call you names lol
Okay bro. Deep breath,hold it a sec and let it out.
I guess I am not a newbie anymore after this spring. Like Paul F said "It`s like you`re a Jedi now." I went from having 6 birds and not knowing squat to getting 507 in the quals this spring. I must say I learned 99% of it right here.
If you don`t agree, don`t agree.If you agree,agree. If you have something to say,say it. I have managed to rouse the ire of more than one here in this forum. I took my lumps and am still here. Talking to you like they talked to me.
Be cool everything will be okay. These guys will help you out even if they don`t like you. I am a perfect example.
yits
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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Heyyou
38 posts
Aug 28, 2006
4:20 PM
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I believe the opinions of those in this hobby are what we are all after. They are based on experiences with BR and we can learn something from all of them. By all means please continue to express those opinions so we can pick out the ones that work for us and help us to avoid all the trial and error that also came along with them. Thanks to all who post here. Bill
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Newflyer
75 posts
Aug 29, 2006
7:53 AM
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I guess I must apologize for my harsh type statements. I read this post, apparently at the wrong time. I ve been under somewhat of a bit of home pressures (too many personal matters).And under these circumstances I do tend to get alittle THIN SKINNED. So I do apologize for myself actions. I do acknowledge and RESPECT all the OPINIONS and FACTS that are experssed here. So, once again I do hope that everyone can dismiss all that I said early in this thread. I will be more considerate in the future.
Paul
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Ballrollers
439 posts
Aug 29, 2006
7:35 PM
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Paul,
It takes character to admit one's screw-ups. That says a lot for you, my friend.
YITS, Cliff
Last Edited by Ballrollers on Aug 29, 2006 7:37 PM
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fhtfire
561 posts
Aug 29, 2006
8:56 PM
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Hey,
I agree with you Brian Mc....and newflyer...trust me...what you posted...was nothing compared to the old Cliff...Scott C. Color breeding topics. I love it when there is debate...you learn from each side of the debate....During the peak of the debates...I could not wait to log on and see who said what to who...LOL!
Anyway...I have a kit of colored birds that can outfly any ....blah blah..blah...LOL...Just kidding...no worries newflier...Good post as always Brian..MC
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Electric-man
11 posts
Aug 29, 2006
9:10 PM
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Well Paul, Maybe we were wrong! I know what you mean by problems, mine have certainly piled up around me too.Almost seems like I've been put on Gods black list lately.LOL For some reason what you said in your first post really seemed to be right on. I've read all these post again and they seem to have a whole different perspective this time around. I consider us still new guys, especially me. I look at the # of post some of these guys got and wonder what I was doing suggesting these guys change there attitudes. This is there forum. I think you need to keep writing in though, I think these guys are gonna forgive you and take you right under there wing. I still like your personality myself and look forward to reading your future post. As for myself, I'm just gonna stay an observer for awhile. Good luck and don't be afraid to vent once in awhile when the craps piling up! I'll still be out here reading post every day and I'll have your back, bro!
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J_Star
581 posts
Aug 30, 2006
5:36 AM
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Paul is a friend of mine and we know each other in person. He lives about 20 miles from me. That’s why I responded to him the way I did. My apologies are to Paul and Electric-man. There is no body is wrong or right here. We all are right (lol).
All the articles we read on the net are based on the writers’ opinion. Even books that we purchase are based on the writers’ view point and the way they see things. Some things became the standard or the norm of how to handle the rollers but the majority of the stuff is based on the fanciers family of birds, the loft setup, type of feed and how much, the surroundings, the environment and weather climate, location, management practices, predators, availability of time and what time flying the rollers and allot of other little things that will effect the birds behavior, habits and practices. For those reasons, each and every fancier have developed things to manage their birds based on what I just listed. Therefore, each and every fancier has their opinion of how things work for them and their birds.
So, opinions are great when they are said in the context of the subject and will become a good learning tool. It will let fanciers grasp other ways of doing the same thing. When opinions start to fly around and just to post something during a heated debate then that becomes ugly and I truly understand how annoying they become.
Please, and this to everybody, forums and chat rooms are for entertainment purposes and they would become educational as people participate and share their ways and opinions of doing things and most importantly is a way to communicate but never a university full of knowledge that you can take with you to the bank. Just like Brian Mc said, if we all agree on everything, then this place will become boring and stale. So, share your onions with us always and state that it is based on your opinion and based on the family of birds that you have and we all will learn from each other.
This forum is not only for the competition minded fanciers, or the backyard fanciers or the purest or the color breeders, it is for everybody. For those backyard fanciers, I urge you to fly you birds as if you have a competition the following week so that your birds always are in top shape and you will enjoy them and become proud of them better that just for the sake of flying rollers. So, prep you birds as you would if you are competing and fly them as you would in competition and learn from the best competitors of how they succeeded. Thanks.
Jay
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Heyyou
40 posts
Aug 30, 2006
8:11 AM
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Gentlemen, I have terminal cancer but have refused to die due to what I believe is positive attitude. I tell you this only so you can do what came to me late in life. Get your priorities in the correct order, only be concerned with what you have control over and harbor resentment toward no one. Oh, and most importantly, let nobody interfere with your fly time. The anticipation factor of wondering what is going to take place is soooooo theraputic(sp) and relieves stress. Bill
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nicksiders
811 posts
Aug 30, 2006
11:39 AM
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Bill,
That was the greatest post yet on this site. I can't begin to tell you how heavly this struck home with me. It brought to mind a story I once read about Martin Luther when asked if he knew this was the last day of earth what would he do. He replied that he would plant a tree.
That was an awkakening for me and your post has had the same affect on me.
Thank you so much, Bill and God bless. I pray that I always will feel the same joy in life that you apparently do......thank you ,Bill
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Snicker Rollers
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
710 posts
Aug 30, 2006
12:30 PM
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Sorry to hear of your condition Bill. Sounds like you are in good spirits given the certainty of the situation. Keep up the positive attitude and maybe terminal will turn into temporary.
Brian.
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Ballrollers
440 posts
Aug 30, 2006
5:17 PM
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Bill, Thanks for putting things in perspective for us all....great words of wisdom, learned through the school of hard knocks. I'll add you to my prayer list, my friend.
Paul, I didn't know you cared!!!! It's good to be missed, though. Scott and I are still into the bitch slapping thing....on another list at the moment. He is still operating under the illusion that posting low scores means a region has higher standards. I'm trying to make the point that BOTH extremes of judging-low scores and high scores-ought to be eliminated in an effort to strive for more consistency in judging. As usual, when he ran short on logic and reason, he fell back on ridicule and intimidation, just like old times!! Obviously, neither of us have given an inch!! Scott's a good roller man, though. I don't have to tell anybody that. We just like to spar with each other, and we have so much to spar with each other about! LOL!
YITS,
Cliff
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Heyyou
41 posts
Aug 30, 2006
7:26 PM
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Thanks to all you can be sure. I believe we take an active part in our lives or an inactive part in our deaths when serious illness hits. You all are to be thanked for adding to a great sight for a wonderful hobby. Bill
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Electric-man
12 posts
Aug 30, 2006
10:01 PM
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Thanks Jay, Good message! I don't know why I got mad the other day.I seldom let things get to me, but it was just one of those days! You guys can be intimidating with all your knowledge and experience. I am new to this part of the sport. I have young birds, to young to breed. All I can do is be patient. But nothing is gonna stop me, except maybe this dang cooper that wont go away.
Nick, good to hear from you! You've always have good messages. Keep bringing them!
Bill, you've got BRASS. You're definatly on my prayer list too! Keep it positive, bro!
Last Edited by Electric-man on Aug 31, 2006 6:25 PM
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CooCoo
7 posts
Sep 02, 2006
4:56 PM
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i have a hawk hanging around my loft and i live in town any suggestions.............thanks ..Dave
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Velo99
608 posts
Sep 03, 2006
6:20 AM
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Back to the original theme of the thread. I got this from another list and if the flyer recognizes it and wants to claim it......
Here is a pair of full bro and sis to the Lavender Grizzle with Tick posted earlier. It seems like all the Lavender Grizzles bred from this pair will be just super spinners and you can pretty much cull from the nest. All this pair breeds are Blacks with mix flights, Black Grizzles, and Lavender Grizzles nothing else. All the Blacks will pretty much be dudes. The Black Grizzles will be average rollers. The top spinners had held true to be the Lavender Grizzles... well, at least for the past 4 years now that is.
This would seem to support my point.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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CooCoo
10 posts
Sep 06, 2006
5:03 AM
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Thanks for the info heyyou,,,,,,,,,,,,Dave
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Electric-man
14 posts
Sep 06, 2006
5:13 PM
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Hey-you, I would like to talk to you about getting some stock birds for my kits. I want to try my luck at maybe the compitition level. There starting a new club here in Oklahoma not to far away and I sure would be proud to carry on what you have started, if you wanted me too! My wife says that I treet my birds better than her, duh! Promise to take care of them! My email address is vrreneau@cox.net and my phone # is 405-206-7682 if you are interested! Thank you, Val
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CooCoo
13 posts
Sep 09, 2006
3:54 AM
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Heyyou i will be emailing you about some birds......will come as Rollers from roughcut53@yahoo.ca...........thanks....Dave
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Velo99
612 posts
Sep 09, 2006
5:50 AM
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Electric man
What part if OK are you in. Tx panhandle here bro.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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