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need help for sickness
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wishiwon2
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Sep 28, 2006
11:49 AM
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Im looking for some advice on diagnosing/treating sickness in my loft.
It started about this breeding season. I would occasionally get a squab which had a weepy eye, just one. I would treat with a half tab of 4-in-1. Some lived, most didnt. The weepy eye would progress into a firm lump between the eye and the cere. A couple of those which had died i cut open, the lump contained a firm white kind of crumbly substance. i could see no other lumps or lesions on the sick birds including inside mouths or throats. suspecting that i might have paratyphoid i treated the flock with a cycle of aureomycin concentrate and sulpha-methoxazine for 7 days(per package recommendation).
I observed no further sickness in squabs or other birds. Then about 2 months ago (first of Aug) that I noticed similar symptoms in a couple of my young kit birds, except that both eyes were weepy and the tissues in and around the eye (conjunctiva) became inflamed. Also in many cases i could knead out a firm white material from the eye. None of these developed a lump or abcess. I isolated those birds showing symptoms and treated the again with aureomycin and sulpha. I also began a flock treatment for canker with ronidzole and treated sick individuals with an additional tablet of spartrix. i cleaned the loft and sprayed surfaces down with heavily chlorinated water to disinfect. For the week or so following treatments I had no new sick birds, however treatment didnt save those which were already showing symptoms. They either died outright or I killed them after becomeing extremely light with crusty eyes (i pitied them). Until recently this only affected my young birds from this year. Last week however I had 3 breeders show symptoms, 1 of which died. This is serious, Ive lost 30 plus young birds and is threatening my breeding pen. I have seperated my pairs for the year, as they're in heavy molt now.
PS I use ACV once a week except when adding antibiotic at rate of 1/2 cup per gallon.
What am i missing to do? Any diagnosis'? recomendations for treatment? anybody had any experience to share?
Last Edited by wishiwon2 on Sep 28, 2006 11:50 AM
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Ally Mac
110 posts
Sep 28, 2006
12:02 PM
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Sounds like you have a nightmare.
I use www.chevita.com . Go to pigeon products the symptoms, there is a lot of useful stuff there. Having said that I had a wee look after reading your post and nothing really summed it up.
There lots of guys on this site with a wealth of experience. I am sure you will get some good info.
Where are you by the way?
Good luck.
Al.
Last Edited by Ally Mac on Sep 28, 2006 12:02 PM
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Santandercol
313 posts
Sep 29, 2006
6:36 AM
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1/2 cup ACV per gallon????Sounds like alot.1 tblsp per gallon.Doubt that is the cause tho.Good luck.
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Kelly
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Alohazona
190 posts
Sep 29, 2006
10:06 AM
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As I first started reading your post,it sounded like pox which can plague squeakers and young birds.So it could very well be that,if it is,theres not much you can do around the eye other than let it run its course.One eye colds can go this way as well,most clear up on there own or with the help of a doxycycline tab,quartered for squeaks.More likely than not,the breeders passed some bad bacteria to the squeaks during feeding.I would try amoxcyllian for 5 days for baterial infection,its alittle more specific than sulmet.My experiance has told me that squeaks getting sick at such a young age wont make it in my program,so I wisely eliminate them.Its noble to try and save them.Don't try all the things I mentioned above at once or in con juction ,as they may or may not be related.Also keep in mind this time of year dander levels are at there highest throughout your lofts.Depending on your population of birds,respiratory,eyecolds,bacteria from birds affected by these can make it difficult.Take a look in your loft and note the strong that survive.If you have a solid floor with litter,a good granule loft dressing is more effective at neutralizing bacteria in the loft,than acv.You have to get the droppings in your loft well formed,even if it mean splitting them up in small groups and being ablr to focus on the sick one or ones.Not an easy thing to do.Good luck,hope something I mentioned helps...Aloha,Todd
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maxspin
52 posts
Sep 29, 2006
11:23 AM
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You may want to consider taking (1) of the birds in for a necropsy. I don't know what you have in the way of recourses where you live. I have taken birds to an office for Washington State University. Cost was around $30.00. They are more reasonable than a veterinarian, but you may not have a similar option. Give your local veterinarian a call and see what it would cost. At least that way you know what you are facing, and can treat accordingly.
Keith
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wishiwon2
2 posts
Oct 02, 2006
8:16 PM
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Thanks all for input. Looked on chevita site, found some helpful info there, however it still seems could be a couple different things. Pox being one. I perhaps failed to make clear that although i lost some youngsters in the nest my greatest losses have come recently on young kit birds from this years hatch, any where from 2-7 months old. ina fact ive lost all but 4 of my offspring from this year now along with 3 breeder cocks and a few older kit birds.
Im hoping is coming to an end, I havent had any new sick ones for about 5-6 days and a couple which showed symptoms in eyes seem to be recovering.
Still looking for some suggestions ...
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