RB&R
43 posts
Sep 30, 2006
7:28 PM
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do u have or you had killed your pigeons when you lose a competition or maybe ur rollers did something that DQ you. to me i never did that b4, but a friend of mine kill his whole lofts including all of his kits. i ask him to sale for me, but he rather killed to make him happy.....
Andrew
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gle619
11 posts
Sep 30, 2006
7:31 PM
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I think that would be listed somewhere under animal cruelty. I have never heard of or seen anyone do that period. Find a new buddy!
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
730 posts
Sep 30, 2006
10:51 PM
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Your friend is retarded and emotionally unstable. Best to stay away from dumbasses like that guy.
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RB&R
44 posts
Sep 30, 2006
11:36 PM
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No, it's not a dark check...it is a blue check w/f...who is this friend?? he a asian guy live in here kerman...we have our club here..no need to show to people dave. i just flow our birds for $200... that's what make him mad and kill his pigeon. we're not involve to any other club. maybe in future if we know can get some good birds.
Andrew Her
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Sourland
81 posts
Oct 01, 2006
5:45 AM
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Maybe since he is responsible for his birds performance he should have killed something else. He needs a new hobby.
Geo.
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Velo99
623 posts
Oct 01, 2006
6:37 AM
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Exactly why we don`t have cash prizes.
Evidently he feels his birds are worth less than 200 bux and he can replace them for under the same and still make a profit. What a moron! What is he gonna do next year? How is he gonna replace his birds?
If I knew he killed all of his birds I would`nt give or sell a bird to this dipshit. I see an embargo in his future. He is in a perfect position to be run out of your club. No birds no fly, get it.
There is a big difference between culling and stupidity.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
Last Edited by Velo99 on Oct 01, 2006 6:43 AM
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Santandercol
319 posts
Oct 01, 2006
7:11 AM
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My,my,my.Your freind there is ill.He needs help of some kind and its not a new flock of birds.Mother fire.
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Kelly
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bob
3 posts
Oct 01, 2006
11:29 AM
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Andrew
This type of friend you don,t need, He should be committed to a mental institution for remedial help & never allowed to own birds again. Bob
Last Edited by bob on Oct 01, 2006 11:30 AM
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dave
151 posts
Oct 01, 2006
3:14 PM
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Didn't know there are some asians in Kerman with a club there. In fact didn't know there were that many asians there. Can I join your club? I would like a shot at that $200 pot. You can keep that bird if it has white flight.
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motherlodelofts
906 posts
Oct 01, 2006
4:43 PM
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I owe you an apoligy, Roy did NOT have the 200 series in 96 it was 98
Scott Campbell
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RB&R
45 posts
Oct 01, 2006
7:24 PM
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Yeah, that's what i think too, he's stupid. he told me that he going to find a new family of birds.
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Mongrel Lofts
209 posts
Oct 01, 2006
7:25 PM
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Andrew,
I have a question for you.. Why would you say, we have no reason to show our birds to anyone and we are not a member of any clubs? With all the missing birds down in that area, I think some guys need to go up and check out these lofts.. Maybe you could take Dave around to meet these roller guys who don't join clubs and don't show their birds to others.. Just a thought.. Anyone who would kill all their birds because they lost a bet. Wouldn't be above stealing a mans birds to try and win a bet. I know if my birds were missing, I would knocking on some doors.. Mongrel Lofts
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dave
152 posts
Oct 01, 2006
7:27 PM
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RB&R, seriouly, can I join your club? What is the club's name, which area does it cover, and how many fliers?
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knaylor
275 posts
Oct 01, 2006
9:07 PM
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I think that if RB&R doesnt step up and be a man then Tony needs to get him out of this site. We dont need people like that here.
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
135 posts
Oct 01, 2006
9:23 PM
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Hey dude your partner is immature and a cull
R-LUNA
Last Edited by GREED FOR SPEED LOFT on Oct 01, 2006 9:24 PM
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Santandercol
321 posts
Oct 01, 2006
9:43 PM
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Oh dear,I can see where this thread is leading.RB&R,don't bring this negative shit on this site fer crissakes man.If the a hole wants to kill his birds hopefully he never gets any more ever and his karma soon comes back to haunt him.To say the least you've upset a few people by bringing this subject up here.
Guys,I don't think you'll get anything outta this RB&R guy about this found bird other than -issed off.
I agree with you Kevin.
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Kelly
Last Edited by Santandercol on Oct 01, 2006 9:46 PM
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W@yne
11 posts
Oct 01, 2006
10:29 PM
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1, WHY DO YOU OVER THERE FLY FOR MONEY?. WHEN MONEY COMES INTO THIS GAME THE HOBBYS DOOMED.!!! DONT GET THIS GREAT SPORT LIKE THE RACING PIGEON GAME.
2, ALSO THE GUY THAT KILLS FOR FUN IS A RETARD AND SHOULD BE BANNED FROM FLYING AT CLUB LEVEL OR ANY LEVEL.
W@YNE UK.
wiganrollers@yahoo.co.uk
Last Edited by W@yne on Oct 01, 2006 10:44 PM
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RB&R
47 posts
Oct 01, 2006
10:53 PM
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Dave,
we called our club "Kerman Racer Roller Club". we have only 8 memebers. age around 16-18. and we got our birds from swap meet. i remember a guy in our club got his birds from a white guy live near the mountain of visilia. all his birds are mottle. we ain't no thieves. and we are not accept any outsider to our club. only friends we can trust.
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dave
153 posts
Oct 02, 2006
8:42 AM
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RB&R,
You belong to the KRRC? Why would you have a fly for $200 with swap meet birds? Who judged? Well let me tell you something, it is not the Kerman Racer Roller Club. It stands for Kings River Roller Club. I goes from Kingsburg up to Fresno. There are only a few guys in that club but they don't fly for money. They do have a futurity fly for a jackpot but it covers the Thunderbirds and the KRRC and friends. The first futurity was last year with Mr. Oullete judging. The guy you are talking about killing his birds is not an asian guy but a good friend and mentor of mine. There were no other competition but the fall fly in this area so I know who was pissed off at their kit. I know that there are not that many asians in Kerman let alone enough to form a club there. Fresno is way bigger and there is hardly enough people to fly in the KRRC. Always the same excuse "my birds are not good enough" or "don't have enough birds".
You should come clean and cut this BS out man. There are people out there willing to help and you just have to ask and be honest. After all of this I'm still willing to help. If you ever really want to sell a real competition kit than let me know. We just got through flying our prelim for the fall fly and the final will be ( I believe) Oct 29 and 30.
Dave (one of the founding members of the real KRRC)
Last Edited by dave on Oct 02, 2006 8:54 AM
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brian430
41 posts
Oct 02, 2006
9:40 AM
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WOW, this comp. thing is serious business, I guess I'll stick to being a happy backyard flier.
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Brian in Ludlow, MA
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dave
154 posts
Oct 02, 2006
10:02 AM
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Brian,
Actually it not serious at all. Just a bunch of guys getting together and joking around. Just to clarify on the futurity thing. No one is forced to fly or to participate. I think that is makes things more interesting and fun. Usually the winner uses that money to buy lunch for everyone, lol.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
731 posts
Oct 02, 2006
10:29 AM
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Liars should be shot in the head and set on display at the city hall.
Competition flying is what you make it to be. For some, it is serious business, for others, they just open the door and let their kit out and take whatever they get with a big grin.
Dave, how did it go with the fly?
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dave
155 posts
Oct 02, 2006
11:21 AM
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Brian, The 20 bird qualifiers are: 1st Myself and 2nd Aris Punla. The 11 bird qualifiers are: 1st Myself and 2nd John Lewis. I qualified for both the 20 and the 11 but I will give up my 11 so Joe can fly. I want Joe to make his master flier point this year so that's why I gave up my 11 bird spot. Joe should've came in 1st (66 pts in 6 minutes and the kit was still working their butt off) on the 11 but two birds just came down low and wouldn't rejoin the team. Good luck to you Brian.
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
732 posts
Oct 02, 2006
11:34 AM
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Dang Dave, you are putting a whoppin on those guys up there. Congrats on domination!!! What were the scores?
We fly this coming weekend. I built an entirely new kit this weekend using birds from three different kits so we'll see what happens. I'm afraid they might have peaked yesterday. Falcon didn't help.
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dave
156 posts
Oct 02, 2006
11:41 AM
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20 bird:
dave - 325
aris - 185
john - 94
I forgot the rest
11 bird:
Dave - 142
John - I believe 79
Joe - 66
Aris 65
I forgot the rest
I just hope I haven't used up all my luck yet, lol. Brian, I'm sure your birds do fine. Just hope the sky sharks leave them alone so they don't get spooked. Still debating to see if I should go up north to see those guys fly or come down south to see you guys.
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RB&R
48 posts
Oct 02, 2006
12:06 PM
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Dave,
I don't know what are you talking about,but that's the name of our club. because we also have a racing club called "No Limit" which is not a roller club. well, if you don't believe me, fine.. but that's the name of our club. but we do fly for money.
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dave
157 posts
Oct 02, 2006
1:22 PM
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"No Limit" huh. I'll ask around around cause I have heard of a "No limit" but that is not a pigeon race club but more of a drag racing group. If you race pigeon than you should know some of the major fliers in your area, can you tell me who they are?
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knaylor
276 posts
Oct 02, 2006
1:40 PM
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Tony, if BR&R doesnt step up and return the bird that is not his boot his ass out!!! He dont need any theives in here!!
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dave
158 posts
Oct 02, 2006
2:15 PM
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RB&R,
Email me at ddv2376@yahoo.com
We can work something out. I apologize if it sounds like I'm accusing you of something so email me and we can sort this out. I'm also asian by the way.
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RB&R
49 posts
Oct 02, 2006
2:40 PM
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knaylor,
you got a problem. hey, no cussing in here. you need a counselor, you the one who should be kicking out.
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J_Star
604 posts
Oct 02, 2006
7:23 PM
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Hay guys, I can see where this thread is going and needs to stop. Remember that the thread started about somebody culling all his birds becuse of lossing. Also remember that a man is inoncent until proven guilty. Accusation is not proper without any solid proof.
Dave, please sort it out with him privetly. If any of the birds were stolen, don't count on any of them back. Just find out who are the theifs and deal with them properly.
All, refrain form accusation for now. Thanks for your sportsmanship.
Jay
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dave
159 posts
Oct 02, 2006
8:35 PM
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Jay,
Here's the answer to RB&R's question. No this guy didn't kill his entire kit. He was mad that his birds came down and said he was going to kill them but only out of frustration. He did cull two birds but I think he is regretting it now, lol.
I don't think I will ever get an email from this guy. I posted my email up when he posted about a bird trapping into his loft and than I even posted it up again for him to email me on this tread. Just wanted him to come clean and I was even willing to help this guy out. I know some poeple that know this No Limit racing crew so sooner or later I will find out who he is. Just wanted to give him a chance.
Last Edited by dave on Oct 02, 2006 8:39 PM
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RB&R
50 posts
Oct 02, 2006
10:31 PM
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Dave,
you are totally misunderstond what i'm talking about in here. who is your friend? do i know him... i don't think so. and who are you. what's your name? why would i email someone that accused me of something i didn't do.
"Always the same excuse "my birds are not good enough" or "don't have enough birds". """
probably they not a freak.
knaylor,
accusing me stole someone birds, hey, how do you know i'm a thief. and how do i know you are not thief. if you don't know nothing, i think it better for you to stay away.
Last Edited by RB&R on Oct 02, 2006 10:49 PM
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AIREDALE
30 posts
Oct 03, 2006
2:33 AM
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Brian, nice loft, nice birds. Whatever you choose competition or backyard enjoyment, make the best of it.Raising pigeons is about the fun and comraderie.Thanks for sharing your photos with us.
John
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knaylor
277 posts
Oct 03, 2006
4:05 AM
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Jay, and RB&R you have a CCRC banded bird that is not yours. It is Daves and you have made NO effort to get it back to him. That is a thief!!! I feel that people like that should not be on here because like in the past it is BAD for the Hobby. Jay if you feel I am wrong let me know and I will leave the site!!
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J_Star
610 posts
Oct 03, 2006
4:48 AM
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Kevin, I really don’t know how to respond your post. It seams like when somebody doesn’t get his way on this site then they threaten to leave the site. To me that is childish. I can not tell you what and when to log on or out to the site but I can tell you and everybody to keep the peace while on this site.
Threatening and accusing people without solid evidence will not and can not bring the birds back nor will it bring any satisfaction. If your city police can not do that for you without solid evidence then what is you expecting of us. I truly understand the frustration and the anger anybody would have when his loft is stolen or any property for that matter is stolen but not on the account of starting a feud here so that people can get their anger out through their words. Let us not lose our respect because of our anger!!!
Were these birds were stolen from you? If not, then let the proper person handle his own affair and I am sure that Dave is tough enough to get to the bottom of it.
BR&R, if you say you are clean then prove it and correspond with Dave through email and come clean. The last thing we want is a weasel among us. So, please, don’t be that weasel. I hope you will follow up and get this issue taken care of and earn your respect on this site. Thanks.
Jay
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dave
160 posts
Oct 03, 2006
8:13 AM
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Jay, I hope you are understanding my position as I just trying to get to the bottom of this but this guy is not willing to contact me. This will be my last post to RB&R.
RB&R,
Did I accuse you of anything? I was just questioning your club and your location. I'm even inviting you to come by and see the fall fly finals. Just want to chat with people and get more people invovled in this hobby in our area and to get to know you more, but you won't be interested because you don't know us, right? I probably know the same people you know. In fact, some of the birds you have might be birds I gave away to friends.
It's ok if you don't want to contact me, no hard feelings. Not that many people in the No Limit crew so I'll find out sooner or later. I'll just ask my friends in Clovis or Sange as they know most of those guys. If you want to know who I am than contact me with info about yourself and I will give you info about me. No need to do it here publicly. Since you only buy birds from the swapmeet I have more to loose than you.
Last Edited by dave on Oct 03, 2006 8:59 AM
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knaylor
279 posts
Oct 03, 2006
8:17 AM
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Jay, you make no sense at all. You tell me to stay out of it and then ask BR&R to do the same thing I was asking. Make up your mind!! I am not being chilish either, This is a great site and has no place for theives. If you have something and it doesnt belong to you return it. No need to get the police involved. Dave is a close friend of mine and so is the guy that loaned him the birds that were stolen, so I have a right to say something about it.
Remember devil the last guy that had stolen birds on here. He said he bought them and was called on it. He reacted the same as BR&R and tony did the right thing and booted him!!
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
735 posts
Oct 03, 2006
8:42 AM
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Jay, you would have to live in the cental valley to understand the absolute distain for the insane amount of roller robbing that has been going on by a "certain group" of people, and thus why tensions are at the boiling point. Many a good roller guy, some near legendary, have been robbed by these piece of shit kids. Police reports and other legal measures don't do jack. Seen it time and time again. Kevin, like many others in the valley are just seeing red over this deal, especially when one they suspect comes crawling out from his hole and telling suspicious lies.
If that RB kid has one of Dave's stolen birds, well, accidents happen I guess. Some people just aren't coordinated enough to walk down the street.
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RB&R
51 posts
Oct 03, 2006
8:57 AM
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knaylor,
proof to me that that bird is belong to Dave. come on, you don't know nothing. if i'm a thief than everyone who had posted a bird in here are thief too. and someone just went off topic. next time, read the question very carefully before start typing.
Just because the bird band CCRC, that doesn't mean that that bird belong to Dave. If it got a personal band. i would give it back to him. but there is no personal band. WOuld you give a bird to someone just because he claim it his. and what if someone come up to you and say it his bird, with all the match description. and how do u know that bird is belong to Dave....man, are you racist.
Last Edited by RB&R on Oct 03, 2006 2:12 PM
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dave
161 posts
Oct 03, 2006
9:03 AM
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Jay and Kevin,
It's ok I'll just wait for RB&R to contact me.
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
810 posts
Oct 03, 2006
9:14 AM
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What am I missing about this bird being stolen.RB first started out by saying that this roller trapped in with his rollers.Then Dave thought it might be one of his that was stolen but didn't have a band number.Scott jumped all over RB and said that someone had that series of band numbers that year.Then after several posts were made apoligised to RB and said the band numbers in that series was in 98.Then Kevin jumped all over RB and called him a thief.When the roller in question turned out to be a White Flight roller Dave told RB to keep it.Kevin still maintains the bird was stolen and he should give it back to Dave.All Dave wants to do is just clear up something between him and RB. What am I missing? If I was RB and everything is on the up & up I would be hostile.But I have seen this type thing go on before.LOL. David
Last Edited by Bluesman on Oct 03, 2006 9:15 AM
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J_Star
612 posts
Oct 03, 2006
11:34 AM
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Bluesman, thank you, I couldn’t have said it any better.
All what I am trying to do is to keep the peace. And I expect everybody to keep the peace on the site.
Kevin, the RB kid maybe or maybe not a thief. At this point it’s 50/50. We can not just jump in a call someone names because of the problem in central valley. Remember that not everybody on this site from that part of the country. If there is a dispute about stolen birds then maybe the medium to handle it is somewhere else. I called on the RB kid to get a hold of Dave a resolve the issue. Let them take care of their issue. And if I am going to stick my nick to every friend I have then I wouldn’t have a nick left. So, please don’t jump in and create havoc. Remember where I am coming from…a moderator that is trying to keep the peace without letting things get out of hand. Please bear with me.
Brian Mc, I admire your way of posting. Thanks a million.
Jay
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fhtfire
580 posts
Oct 03, 2006
12:55 PM
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THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT>>THE BIRD TRAPPED IN>>>>IT MAY HAVE BEEN STOLEN>>>BUT IT TRAPPED IN TO SOMEONE ELSES LOFT>>>THAT IS NOT A THEIF>>>>>SO>>>>>>IF I TRAP IN A BIRD>>>>I AM NOT A THIEF>>>>NEITHER IS RB>>>>
Kevin...I think you jumped the gun...brother..LOL!!
rock and ROLL
Paul
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
814 posts
Oct 03, 2006
1:07 PM
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Paul. "Standing Ovation" LOL. David
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Velo99
626 posts
Oct 03, 2006
2:13 PM
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That was the whole premise of the theif pouter.To trap in someone elses birds. Finders keepers.
In the beginning of the B Roller the winner of the competetion took the other guys birds. They flew small 4-6 bird kits. The whole history of the pigeon fancy is loaded with ways to get better stock by serrepetitious means.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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knaylor
280 posts
Oct 03, 2006
2:26 PM
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OK guys, here it is. RB&R says he trapped in a bird with a CCRC band. He lives close to Dave that had a few CCRC banded birds stolen. dave says that he thinks it might be his bird. Did RB&R try to get intouch with Dave or meet with him to see if it was one of his birds?? NO and now he is saying we cant prove that it is. And i am a racist.LOL Now askyourself that question?? If you trapped in a bird would you try and get it back to the owner?? If you were honest you would. Hey Paul didnt you just do this???? When I judged you you were trying to find the owner of that bird you just trapped in. Why because you re an honest guy!! Now have I jumped the gun?? I have yet to see him do the right thing and see if the bird is daves and give it back, and I doubt if he will!! RB&R prove me wrong!!
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Velo99
628 posts
Oct 03, 2006
2:39 PM
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The point is Kevin...It ain`t your deal to be involved in. Now you got yourself all worked up cuz someone ruffled your feathers. Just chill bro. Evryting be arighy mon.
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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RB&R
53 posts
Oct 03, 2006
2:42 PM
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Ok Knaylor, please go back and read my question very carefully than respond. there alot of people in fresno got CCRC birds, like i say you know nothing.
Jay,
i'm sorry about this mess...but i don't like it, when someone accused me of something i didn't do. and called me a thief. that's not nice.
Last Edited by RB&R on Oct 03, 2006 2:45 PM
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Bluesman
Pigeon Fancier
815 posts
Oct 03, 2006
3:20 PM
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Kevin.Dave already said he don't have a record of the band numbers of the birds that were stolen.How could he ever prove the bird was his.
That would be like me telling Paul the bird he trapped in was mine.He wouldn't believe me just on my word alone.
What would Judge Judy say? LOL.I am sure Dave will get to the bottom of it his way.David
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