J_Star
630 posts
Oct 12, 2006
8:09 PM
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Can anybody describe how the eye would look when there is blood in it? Is it shot red or pink or rose in color?
The reason I am asking is because one of my birds came down with one rose color eye with the black dot in the center. After a few days, it was back to normal. I have never seen a bloody eye before to know what it looks like. Thanks.
Jay Alnimer
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GREED FOR SPEED LOFT
137 posts
Oct 12, 2006
8:54 PM
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J STAR, the eye could be either color, what i have observered is that the family could could have a fault in the genetics and i am not saying that your family has a weak fault that causes blood in the eye when it comes in the roll or spin but what i have seen in most cases, is that when a roller comes that in the spin, it may not have it's head placed in the right position and that is what causes the blood in the eye because of the velocity, some and most birds get this issue conquered and the ones that don't , this is a fault and should be discarded or culled.
R-LUNA
Last Edited by GREED FOR SPEED LOFT on Oct 12, 2006 8:56 PM
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
766 posts
Oct 12, 2006
9:27 PM
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Jay, here is one with a full blown vessel in the eye.
Some will get hit in the eye or only have a small amount of leakage that will lightly tint the eye like rose colored glasses. In some cases it is only part of the eye.
In either case, it goes away really quickly. This bird showed no evidence of it a day or so later. Although if I recall she did it again a few weeks later and was consequently culled because of it.
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birdman
217 posts
Oct 12, 2006
9:47 PM
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I've had birds with blood in the eye from time to time. Sometimes it's due to high velocity spins, but sometimes the birds actually collide into each other while rolling. One would be a genetic weakness, while the other would be an accident.
Russ
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RB&R
55 posts
Oct 12, 2006
10:57 PM
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Brian,
is that a real picture. I have see this b4, i have couple birds that got blood in the eyes, but what i saw it always the accident that cause this problem...when one roll hit another one.
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J_Star
631 posts
Oct 13, 2006
4:59 AM
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Well, the bird just started rolling not too long ago. She is not super fast per say to indicate that a blood vessel snapped as I was told in the past that speed causes the problem. The cause could be an accident but not sure. The color of the eye shown in the picture is a bit darker than what I have observed. Also the picture is missing the black dot in the center of the eye. What I have observed is a pinkish rose color with a vivid black dot in the center of the eye. So, a bloody eye would cover the whole eye or part of the eye!! Anyway, that is a great picture Brian.
Jay
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Santandercol
351 posts
Oct 13, 2006
6:03 AM
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Brian,
Thanks for that picture.Never seen that symptom before so now know what to look for.Excellent photo!!
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Kelly
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Opinionated Blowhard
80 posts
Oct 13, 2006
11:15 AM
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Speed doesnt cause blood in eye. Weak blood vesels does. Speed just agravates the problem. Some really slow rollers can roll blood in the eye. Kevin
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fhtfire
596 posts
Oct 13, 2006
11:28 AM
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I do not even blink an eye over blood in the eye. Unless it continues to happen...I think most of the time it is just a freak of nature. I have had one hen get blood in the eye...she did it twice...once at 4 months...once at 6 months and has never done it again...I flew her for a total of 20 months. She is in my stock loft and I have bred 30 plus rounds from her and have never had a bird out of her do it....I honestly think that she got hit in the air. Anyway...if it continued to do it...then just cull it...
rock and ROLL
Paul
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motherlodelofts
911 posts
Oct 13, 2006
1:28 PM
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If a bird hits something such as another bird or even the pavement it is a different type injury than that of rolling blood in the eye.
I have had families in the past that did it , with this family I never see it as those before me looked at it strictly as a fault and wouldn't tolorate it,if I had one pop up I would treat it for what it is ,a "cull" and never have I seen this type of injury from birds hitting other objects.
I learned a long time ago that making excuses for faults was not a way to move forward , what goes in is what come's out.
If you look at it any other way than you will get more of the same , if you try to breed around it the fault (any fault) is still there buried waiting to pop up , it is really quite that simple.
Scott
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fhtfire
597 posts
Oct 13, 2006
2:07 PM
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Scott,
Good post...you are totally right...I should have mentioned the differenc between blowing out a blood vessel and hitting.....the bird that I had...did not...look like the photo..not even close...mine looked like it was rose colored on the bottom half of the eye...like a cracked eyed bird...the whole eye was not full of blood and was not dark and thick looking. We should get some photos posted on different types of blood or eye injuries.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
632 posts
Oct 13, 2006
4:16 PM
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Paul F,
That hen is one of yours. Red Grizzle Band# 1246-NPA-7-05-RC. Parents are: Hen (Brown Grizzle) Band# 327-UTAH-97-J, Cock (Dark Tort W/F) Band# 6135-NBRC-01. Is that hen of yours you mentioned is the mother? Let me know. Thanks.
Jay
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JMUrbon
25 posts
Oct 13, 2006
6:43 PM
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Jay, I feel more like Scott on this one but I will continue to fly a bird that has rolled blood into the eye. Just that is as far as it will go. I dont feel it has anything at all to do with speed but more on the lines of off balance spin. Generally if a bird hits another bird in flight hard enough to bloody up the eye there will also be signs of a lump. This bird and all others that have red,rose or pink full or partial eyes broke a vessle or capillary in the eye. Make no mistake. An injury would show up in other places also. These birds like Brian said will be just fine in a week or 2 if you allow them to rest but from experience in my loft if bred from they will throw it eventually. Just my 2 cents. Joe
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fhtfire
598 posts
Oct 13, 2006
10:46 PM
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J-star,
The bird you are talking about is not from the hen that had the blood...the hen is a blue grizzle from Chuck Roe. Anyway...I have never had any blood in the eye from any birds that were bred in my loft. That bird that you have is from one of my top pairs...Emami. I have never had a bird from that pair roll any type of blood in the eye. I would keep flying that bird and see what happens. I do not believe that it is genetic. I have flown out about 25 birds from that pair without incident. But...there are elevendy billion genes in these birds and it could happen. I believe the over cooked birds you have were from the hen that had the blood issue. But again...I really think that hen hit something..because it did not look like a true blood vessel burst that fills the complete eye. Do like Joe says..rest it for a bit and then fly it and see what happens if it continues to do it...cull it...if it never does it again...it could be a good kit bird...or it could of been a freak thing. I mean...hell..I hit somebody so hard in a football game I blew a vessel in my eye...and I am glad my parents did not cull me...LOL...
rock and ROLL
Paul Fullerton
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J_Star
633 posts
Oct 14, 2006
6:07 PM
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Paul,
When I listed the info for you, it was from my records. I didn't get them from the bird's band. The other red check W/F Mottle I have band# 1242-NPA-7-05-RC, the record say that the mother band# 940-NBRC-2000- is Blue Grizzle Splash from Roe and the father from Emami. I will get the band number from the bird and match with the records to make sure if I listed the info correctly the first time or this time. It is just been extreamly cold the last few days and I was not able to get the band number from the bird. But I will.
Please, don't get my message offensive because really it is not. I just wanted to know the history. I will not breed from that bird and if she proves to be an excellent kit bird then she will always be welcome in my kit box.
I just never seen this condition with my current family which I have for five years and I was surprised when I saw this one. I didn’t know for sure if it is a bloody eye and that is why I posted the question.
By the way, you said 'I believe the over cooked birds you have were from the hen that had the blood issue.’ Would you elaborate further because I didn’t understand what you mean? If you think what you sent were over cooked birds, then that is ok because out of ten you sent, six were execllent performers. That is very good for over cooked birds (lol).
Also, I stil owe you a list of the birds with their performace for you records. I didn't forget about you and I will get them to you soon. Thanks.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Oct 14, 2006 6:18 PM
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fhtfire
601 posts
Oct 14, 2006
9:08 PM
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Jay,
Lol...no offense taken at all...I was just trying to figure out what pair the bird that you mentioned came from. Because the band number in your previous post with the parent listing were what I was talking about. Anyway..e-mail me the band number of the blood eye bird. I have never bred a blood eye bird yet in my loft...and to date I have bred about 400+ birds...of course some were bred for other people and I have not had anyone tell me of a blood in the eye issue..and I keep in pretty close contact with people that have my birds..just to keep good records on the offspring of my pairs. I also made a mistake on my last post..LOL!! I no longer have the bird that had blood in the eye..the bird that had blood in the eye was from a crap bird that I got when I first started...it was a blue grizzle....I know longer have that bird. It was late when I was looking at my records..LOL!! I had to actually go back to all my hand written records and I finally found the sucker...the Roe bird that I was talking about that I said had blood in the I..I never flew ...I seen her fly at Chucks house..she is mated to My Red Baldy. I even reviewed the records on the birds that I sent you..and nothing came from any problem birds...but 4 of them came from pairs that I no longer have..they were Mason birds.
The overcooked birds that I was talking about were per our conversation we had on the phone quite awhile ago..and I though you said that two birds out of my Roe Blue Grizzle splash hen and Red Baldy were a little unstable..but I know that you were unsure of the bands...I have yet to throw a chronic bumper from that pair...so I was very curious...anyway..I may be just confused since I am not looking at band numbers..LOL!! It is funny that you posted that...because...I figured that out of what I sent you...I thought 6-7 would turn out pretty good..LOL!! ANyway...I will give you a call tomorrow ..get the band numbers and I will compare them to what I have. If the bird that has blood in they eye is out of any of the pairs that I no longer have..I really do not have that much information on the offspring...I got rid of the pairs soon after I sent you birds. I wish I could have sent you some better birds...but I knew you were in a jam with your overfly and I just sent you what I had on the floor to help you out.
No worries on offending me....so such thing!!!! I know that in this sport your best pairs can throw a retard every now and then...LOL!! I just am sooooo curious on what birds are doing what that I sent you...Anyway..I will call you so I can get some info....I am glad that some of the birds are working out.
rock and ROLL
Paul
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J_Star
634 posts
Oct 15, 2006
6:11 PM
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Paul,
I think I missed your call. Went out with a friend last night and got home prety late. There were a private call on my cell. Email me and we will take this offline. Thanks.
Jay
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4nkroLLs
26 posts
Apr 23, 2008
10:14 PM
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Great post jay, my friends bird
Came down a few days ago with the eye blood shot red and our explenation was maybe its velocity was too fast and rushed blood Into its eye ...busted blood vesel huh that's intrestin I'm gonna have to mention that to him
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D.T.R.C
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