RB&R
56 posts
Nov 01, 2006
2:27 PM
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Can you train a kit of birds to be frequent or frequency have to be in the gene. one friend tell me that sometime trainer can develop a kit to be very frequent and frequency don;t have to be in the genes. so, i was wonder if this is true or not, since many of you guys been flying roller for many years and many kits.
Andrew
Last Edited by RB&R on Nov 01, 2006 2:34 PM
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nicksiders
817 posts
Nov 01, 2006
3:05 PM
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Probably both; you can breed frequency and feed frequency. Frequent birds tend to breed frequent birds and by feeding selected grains or adjusting thier feed amounts you can increase/decrease the frequency. Like anything else TOO much of anything can be disasterous.
I feel if you have birds or especially a kit of birds that are breaking more than twice a minute they become disarrayed and all over the sky.....not a pretty site and probably un-scorable.
Just my opinion and I reserve the right to change my mind.
Nick
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Last Edited by nicksiders on Nov 01, 2006 3:06 PM
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motherlodelofts
925 posts
Nov 01, 2006
3:40 PM
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Good post Nick !!
Scott
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RB&R
57 posts
Nov 03, 2006
7:47 AM
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Nick,
what if you have a family that you know they don't have much frequency.
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nicksiders
818 posts
Nov 03, 2006
9:28 AM
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Experiment with the feed and see if you can induce some change. Cut back on the feed a little at a time in four day increments using thier current feed. If that is not improving thier frequency go to either straight wheet or a wheat/milo mixture and go through the same 4 day steps. I have found it takes about four days to get thier system fully impacted on the changes If this does not increase thier frequency you might want to consider crossing them with a family that has the desired frequency you are seeking. This is the way that involves good management and hard work and may be the most awarding
OR scrap the family you have and restart with a family that you have observed that have the desired frequency making sure that they have all the other desired attributes of sound performing rollers. Fequency without velocity is not good; frequency without style and control is not good; too much frequency without tight kitting is not good. You got to find the birds that hold up and can put it all together; that is probably your goal. To scrap your current family is the easy way and may not be as awarding to you. You have to decide.
It is your call. You got to make a plan and stick with it and becarefull not to let too many people influence you to change your plan. Study the hobby and please get other people input, but stick with your plan with a little modification here and there.............just make sure it works for you. Every breeder has thier own plan and they are all right on just some breeders work harder and are better managers than others.
I wish you the best.
What family are you flying?
This rambling is just my opinion and may not have anything to do with the facts(LOL)AND I reserve the right to change my mind..........LOL
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bman
79 posts
Nov 03, 2006
9:50 AM
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It is your call. You got to make a plan and stick with it and becarefull not to let too many people influence you to change your plan. Study the hobby and please get other people input, but stick with your plan with a little modification here and there.............just make sure it works for you. Every breeder has thier own plan and they are all right on just some breeders work harder and are better managers than others.
Hey Nick,
This should be REQUIRED reading for everyone new to the sport.And some no so new.
Great post
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Ron
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dave
180 posts
Nov 03, 2006
10:13 AM
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RB&R,
If your birds don't have the roll in them than you can't make them roll. Your birds will not roll if you are either over feeding them or underfeeding them. A change of feed usually stimulates them to roll more but too much frequency and the roll quality seems to go down on me in my family.
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RB&R
58 posts
Nov 03, 2006
7:28 PM
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Good post nick... by the way i have couple family that i was flying now.
Dave,
what family of bird do you have?
Last Edited by RB&R on Nov 03, 2006 7:29 PM
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nicksiders
820 posts
Nov 03, 2006
8:01 PM
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I have a conglomeration of Hatcher, Stephens, Smith, Plona, Norwood, and Booker/Werstler. My Hatcher birds are from both Tom and Cole. All my birds are crosses from these families. This is as big as my gene pool will ever be.
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J_Star
647 posts
Nov 04, 2006
4:58 PM
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RB&R,
Give your 20 birds two tablespoons full of Canary seeds three hours before you fly them and watch the show.
Jay
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RB&R
59 posts
Nov 04, 2006
10:15 PM
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Jay,
Is this method really work? i'll try.
Andrew
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Velo99
650 posts
Nov 05, 2006
5:46 AM
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Nick ,
You and I are in similar straits,with me having nine families of birds.. What`s your plan for the upcoming season?
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If they don`t kit,they don`t score.
Color don`t roll and peds don`t fly.
It`s a comp thing,understand?
V99
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dave
181 posts
Nov 05, 2006
10:25 AM
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RB&R,
I'm working on getting my own family of birds. I thought you and your friends only have birds from the swapmeet.
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RB&R
60 posts
Nov 05, 2006
8:04 PM
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Dave,
It's true that i got my birds from swapmeet.. that;s why i said i have several family by asking the seller. i also have couple thunder birds from a guy last year. which all mottle and black with white flights.
Andrew
Last Edited by RB&R on Nov 05, 2006 8:06 PM
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dave
183 posts
Nov 05, 2006
9:55 PM
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Andrew,
The best way to learn more about how to get the most of your birds is to talk to the breeder of those birds. In your case since you bought them from the swap meet you can ask the guy that sold it to you. There are only a few guys that sell them there at the swapmeet. Now, if you want to know more about the thunderbird birds than why not try to get in touch with those guys and try to find out more info like who it was from and what family. The guys here can only give you info that pertain to their family and it may not work for your family of birds. Best info is to ask the owner of those birds.
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RB&R
62 posts
Nov 07, 2006
10:05 PM
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I have couple birds i believe it was bred by Bill in thunderbird club. i also have murr roller, and a kit of birds from Ed. and the rest i bought them from swapmeet, but now i try to create my own family with this family.
and hope they will work out.
Andrew
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dave
184 posts
Nov 07, 2006
10:31 PM
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When did you buy birds from Ed and Bill and what family? I know all their family of birds.
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RB&R
63 posts
Nov 08, 2006
8:25 AM
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Dave,
I got it from Ed last year, posted on NBRC. and i bought birds from Bill the year before, i met him at swapmeet. Murr Roller, the only reason why i called them Murr roller because there are two bands was band on the bird, which is a personal band is call Murr. So they're Murr roller. All the guys in our little club have Murr Rollers. some guys in Fresno know about this family too. if you don't know, ask your friends they might know.
Andrew
Last Edited by RB&R on Nov 08, 2006 10:12 AM
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chandlerTX
26 posts
Nov 08, 2006
8:46 AM
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Jay, with the canary seed, is that 2 tbsp per bird or 2tbsp per 20 birds. I would like to try this with my birds.
Thanks
Chad
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J_Star
655 posts
Nov 08, 2006
9:54 AM
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Two heaping table spoons per 20 birds three hours B4 flying them. Report to us your observation. Thanks.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Nov 08, 2006 9:55 AM
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RB&R
64 posts
Nov 08, 2006
10:08 AM
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I tried, and it turn out to be okay. but my birds don't like canary seed. and they fly higher than i expected.
Andrew
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nicksiders
828 posts
Nov 08, 2006
10:09 AM
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Paul Fullerton had a swimming pool full of rollers when he tried it.....LOL
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J_Star
656 posts
Nov 08, 2006
10:20 AM
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I don't have that problem and I fly some of Paul's birds also. I hope Paul's rollers knew how to swim...
Chad, give it a try and let us know the outcome.
Andrew, give it another try. The birds flying high has nothing to do with the Canary seeds.
Jay
Last Edited by J_Star on Nov 08, 2006 10:23 AM
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dave
186 posts
Nov 08, 2006
11:40 AM
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RB&R,
Did Ed tell you what strain the birds were that you bought?
Here's my opinion of the birds you got from them. If you are into just flying for fun than you can keep them around. If you want to compete than get rid of them. Most of Bill's birds will crash. You might be able to get some spin out of Ed's birds because he doesn't have the greatest management but from what I have seen most are just stiffs.
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RB&R
65 posts
Nov 08, 2006
5:03 PM
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I don't know what family he got and he didn't tell me. when i got they are all squeakers. i bought a kit to fly for fun. i got couple rolldown and the rest are worthless. waste perches and feed.
Andrew
Last Edited by RB&R on Nov 08, 2006 5:04 PM
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chandlerTX
27 posts
Nov 09, 2006
9:35 AM
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I will try it this weekend when I fly the birds and report back. Since the hawks have arrived I only fly once or twice a week now and only in the evening. I see a few hawks when I fly, but they must be full because they leave my birds alone so far. I will fly them until I get hit and then lock them down. Chad
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chandlerTX
29 posts
Nov 13, 2006
1:29 PM
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Ok, I tried the canary seed. Two heaping tbsp full 3 hours prior to flying. I did not notice to much difference in the birds. Dad came over to watch the birds and said they were feed up to well. They flew for almost 2 hours. I will start cutting back on the food and try it again when they are flying closer to 30 minutes. Chad
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MCCORMICKLOFTS
796 posts
Nov 13, 2006
1:40 PM
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Chad, remember this, generally what you feed them today won't start to affect them physically or nutritionally for between 24-48 hours. For example, if your birds were really hungry and fed them a ration, then released them six hours later, they won't fly to the moon. The feed won't increase their fly time or height via the absorbing of the nutrition from it. The only change, and this is largely why some feed millet prior to flying, is that mentally they believe they have just eaten, and consequently will not be so enticed to want to land, driven by the desire to eat. They aren't getting anything from the millet or whatever feed fed prior to flying. It is the mental adjustment that is being made.
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